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    Never been issued "operational" trousers in my whole career.... Poxy winter bottoms every time, even on a summer trip to the leb probably never see those either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggles View Post
    Never been issued "operational" trousers in my whole career.... Poxy winter bottoms every time, even on a summer trip to the leb probably never see those either
    If you have been issued any item of DPM kit since 2011 it has "operational" on the label.The standard trousers up to now were labeled "winter" but if you go back to the advent of DPMs in the DF what is now the "winter" trousers was once the "summer" trousers(Anybody remember the original Winter trousers with the non breathable membrane/liner seat and knees?).

    Once the DF got rid of the original "winter"trousers the "Tropical" trousers, which first saw use in Timor with the Wing, became the DeFacto summer trousers and were usually only issued for overseas use. In 2011 they were renamed "Operational trousers summer" officially.

    My last trip to the Leb was a summer one and we were only issued two of these.Despite being ordered to bring four full sets of shirt and trousers. Thankfully I still had a few fairly good trousers from a previous trip and they became my patrol dress along with the newly issued UBACS and the new trousers were kept for good wear.

    Shoot forward to 2017/8. The days of two different weights of cloth for "Winter" and "summer" is gone. The new trousers/smock and shirt all come in an Intermediate weight cloth halfway between the old national issue and overseas issue kit.So now we will only have one type of trouser going forward.Albeit in male and female variants.
    So in short no.You won't see the old summer trousers on issue anymore.

    Speaking of kit changes I had a good look at the new smock/UBACS and waterproof Jacket today.Some good points.Some bad.

    New Smock sizes are completely different to the old sizes. Smock has a fleece lined mandarin collar so it will look ridiculous when worn folded down when hood is detached. Hood is held on with three old style buttons as opposed to the Canadian slotted style we are used to so loosing buttons again becomes an issue. Inner zipped pocket has moved down to below the waist drawcord on the left. Drawcords are now inside the waist.Gonna be super comfortable when worn with kit pushing the toggles into you ribs Storm cuffs now have a single piece of elastic shockcord instead of the current elasticated knitted cuffs. Upper sleeve pockets are a good size and have a black piece of web material sewn onto the inside back of each pocket and stitched into two loops. Ideal for Cyalumes. Too big for pens etc Plenty of places to carry pens though.Two slots at the top of each upper sleeve pocket and an open top double pen pocket on the lower left sleeve. FFD pocket on the lower right sleeve.

    Waterproof jacket is shorter than the old design.Lower sleeves have the exact same pocket design as on the new smock. Internal waist drawcord and zipped lower outer pockets. Material is a PU/PA mix.Sadly not PTFE(Goretex)

    New UBACS has an offset neck zip.Same design as the new Belgian one which kinda makes sense seeing as the are both made in the same factory. Design introduced to discourage people from going around with the zip undone.Theory being that the collar is supposed to be kept zipped to protect the neck from flame etc.
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    I feel like I know the answer, apod, but how do these uniforms get approved? Are there people looking at international uniforms/best practices? Or is it just a bunch of officers going "how cheap can it be made while still looking good on parade?"
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    I feel like I know the answer, apod, but how do these uniforms get approved? Are there people looking at international uniforms/best practices? Or is it just a bunch of officers going "how cheap can it be made while still looking good on parade?"
    A combination of the above. The DF Clothing Committee looks at all the gucci stuff from abroad, however its aspirations soon come plumetting back to earth with the limited clothing budget.

    Just remember that in 2016, the creative or "arts" sector shook the government for millions for interpretive dance to commemorate the rising. The DF on the other hand were "awarded" a medal but told to fund it from their existing clothing budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    A combination of the above. The DF Clothing Committee looks at all the gucci stuff from abroad, however its aspirations soon come plumetting back to earth with the limited clothing budget.

    Just remember that in 2016, the creative or "arts" sector shook the government for millions for interpretive dance to commemorate the rising. The DF on the other hand were "awarded" a medal but told to fund it from their existing clothing budget.
    FFS...

    Can't really say much more.
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Did other organisations (e.g. Civil Defence, Fire Service) have to fund their 1916 medals from their existing clothing budgets?

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    Civil Defence come under DoD don't they?
    I knew a simple soldier boy.....
    Who grinned at life in empty joy,
    Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
    And whistled early with the lark.

    In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
    With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
    He put a bullet through his brain.
    And no one spoke of him again.

    You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
    Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
    Sneak home and pray you'll never know
    The hell where youth and laughter go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck View Post
    Civil Defence come under DoD don't they?
    Check out the recent news over PHECC regulations and CD provided first aid cover... when it suits DoD

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