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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    I trust you never saw Irish Steel up close and personal in the mid to late 1980s and read the reports on the residues remaining?
    Never saw it operating, I'll try did out those reports to read. It wasn't a big plant and it wasn't operating that long. If the place was such a big poison factory how is there surviving NS members, workers and Cobh residents? It's very convenient to blame everything on Irish steel when half of the cork harbour residents work in other polluting plants that did what they want at the time be it Whitegate/Pfizer/IFI and whoever else.
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    There was a steel mill operating in the site since the 1920s. Irish steel begun operating from there in the 1970s and increased the size and output. They also took over much of the island and increased its land area in the 80s through dumping of slag .
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    Aaaannnnnnd credibility for the CoS is gone.

    Minister Paul Kehoe @defenceforces briefed on @IrishAirCorps high level of services & safety standards. @seancclancy & team, leaders in just safety culture. 1000km offshore IE nowhere to pull over, simply the best, #technicians. Watch out recruiting soon!
    Leaders in just safety culture #IrishAirCorps? Are you for real Mark? Decades long toxic chemical exposure. Two former personnel dead since Xmas. Tell us what Air Corps poisoned us with! #FakeNews #Putinesque
    #TechniciansExpendable #Dail

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    Today I am passing you a list of 56 verified deaths of serving and former colleagues. Average age: 48'
    The whistleblower claims the number of deaths has risen sharply.
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    A NEW PROTECTED disclosure has been sent to Defence Minister Paul Kehoe detailing a number of “verified deaths” of those allegedly affected by the Air Corps chemical scandal.

    It’s the contention of a number of Air Corps members, who have since retired, that the effects of the chemicals they handled as part of their work contributed to dozens of workers at the Baldonnel Airfield becoming ill.

    In a protected disclosure made by one of the workers last year, it has also been alleged that the partners of male members of the force suffered serious fertility issues and a number of miscarriages. Other children, according to the previous protected disclosure, are living with life-changing illnesses and, in some cases, have died.

    But a new disclosure, submitted last week, claims that the number of untimely deaths from the scandal has “grown exponentially”.

    The former Defence Forces members are currently suing the state for damages.

    For the last two years, one whistleblower has been collecting information about the premature deaths of his colleagues in the Air Force. He accesses death records and is able to see the cause of death of the Air Corps member. The name, rank, cause of death and age of the person is then collated.

    It has previously been alleged that the Defence Forces failed to protect workers from exposure to harmful chemicals which have been proven to cause various cancers and autoimmune diseases.

    The new protected disclosure, seen by, reads: “Today I am passing you a list of 56 verified deaths of serving and former colleagues with an average age of death of 48. For my research I arbitrarily started from 1 January 1980 and only counted the deaths of persons who died at or before the State Pension age of 66. The list contains persons who died from medical reasons or suicide.

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    Files on chemical exposure in the Air Corps have gone missing

    The Department of Defence only sought to find the documents after their alleged destruction was raised in the Dáil — more than 12 months after it received the whistleblower’s claim.

    A protected disclosure sent to the then Minister of Defence Simon Coveney in December 2015 warned that a named senior member of the Air Corps destroyed reports, dating back to the 1990s, which raised concerns about the levels of toxic chemicals in workshops in Casement Aerodrome.

    The same official was named in a subsequent disclosure by a second whistleblower who also alleged the documents were destroyed.

    The years given by the whistleblower for the destroyed documents match those of inspection reports of Casement Aerodrome that the Department itself admits cannot be found.

    When asked previously if there are plans to investigate the documents’ disappearance, junior defence minister Paul Kehoe has told the Dáil that he has been “advised by the military authorities that there are no plans to carry out an investigation into why these reports cannot be located.”

    The issue of the missing documents was raised in the Dáil by Sinn Féin TD Aengus Ó Snodaigh in February 2017.

    The following May, Mr Kehoe wrote to Mr Ó Snodaigh to say that he undertook to revert to military authorities about the reports — and that they confirmed they cannot be located.

    The State is defending seven High Court cases taken by former Air Corps members who say their chronic illnesses — including cancer and brain disorders — because they were unduly exposed to toxic chemicals while cleaning and servicing aircraft.

    The State has denied any responsibility in the cases, and in one case told the court that “no admission is made that the defendants exposed the plaintiff to dangerous chemicals or solvents whether on an ongoing basis or at all”.

    Since 2015, a number of whistleblowers have made protected disclosures about working conditions at Casement Aerodrome, and have alleged that documents were destroyed as part of efforts to cover up the extent of the Air Corps’ knowledge of the problems.

    One of those whistleblowers made a protected disclosure in December 2015 in which he alleged that a named official “wilfully destroyed evidence throughout the years”.

    Mr Ó Snodaigh and Fianna Fáil TD Lisa Chambers have both seen copies of the documents in question and have raised their concern as to their contents.

    In February 2017, Mr Ó Snodaigh told the Dáil he had “seen health and safety reports going back as far as 1995, all of which pointed specifically to the issues that were addressed in the Examiner newspaper”.

    “This is a cover-up because the military authorities in Casement Aerodrome did not take the required steps; when it was highlighted to them that dangerous chemicals existed, they didn’t take those steps,” he said.

    Last year, Ms Chambers wrote to then-Taoiseach Enda Kenny about the documents.

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    It would be interesting to see if Section 7 of the National Archives Act, 1986 applies to this situation.

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    Air Corps whistleblowers were not asked for more information, minister says

    Saturday, February 24, 2018
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    The Department of Defence has not sought any further information from whistleblowers, on allegations that key Defence Forces documents were destroyed, a junior Minister has confirmed.

    The documents are health-and-safety reports that allegedly reveal the Air Corps was warned about the air quality in Casement Aerodrome as far back as the 1990s.

    The State is defending seven High Court claims from former Air Corps staff, who say their chronic illnesses were caused by undue exposure to chemicals in Casement Aerodrome.

    In a document seen by the Irish Examiner, the State has denied liability in at least one case and said “if the plaintiff suffered any personal injury, loss or damage, it was not caused by any act or omission on its part, or was not a reasonably foreseeable consequence of any such act or omission”.

    Earlier this month, the Irish Examiner revealed that, in a protected disclosure, a whistleblower warned the Department in December, 2015 that a named official “willfully destroyed evidence throughout the years”, but “wasn’t aware... that copies were made of certain files that showed dangerous levels of toxic chemicals in various workshops, as early as 1995 and 1997”.

    The Department did not search for these reports, compiled by Enterprise Ireland’s predecessor, Forbairt, until more than a year later, when Sinn Féin defence spokesman, Aengus Ó Snodaigh, raised the issue in the Dáil.

    Two more whistleblowers have since supported the allegations, one naming the same official identified in the December 2015 disclosure. Some disclosures to the Government have also been made to opposition politicians.

    Following the Irish Examiner report earlier this month, Mr O’Snodaigh submitted a parliamentary question to Junior Defence Minister Paul Kehoe in which he asked “if his department sought further information from the relevant whistleblower, regarding health and safety reports, which they allege were destroyed as part of a cover-up within the Air Corps; and, if not, the reason therefor”.

    “No specific information has been sought from the correspondents, in relation to reports which were the subject of an allegation of destruction contained in correspondence which was also sent to the Deputy,” Mr Kehoe said.

    Last year, Mr Kehoe ruled out any investigation into the reports’ disappearance. “The authorities have indicated there are a range of potential causes for the loss of the reports, such as the changeover of electronic recording systems in 2004 or that the reports were misplaced over time,” he told the Dáil.

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    Why don’t they just ask for the HSA reports from when they were talking about prosecution?

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