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    Contracted Heli Training

    Would there be any merit in the AC considering a similiar type of arrangement which would free up experienced pilots & techs to ensure the operational fleet is so.

    http://helihub.com/2017/03/17/motorf...th-jetrangers/

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    Except it would it would be used as an excuse to get rid of the EC135s and more importantly the pilots and techs

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Except it would it would be used as an excuse to get rid of the EC135s and more importantly the pilots and techs
    The article states the Germans found EC135 "to have been too complex for ab initio pilots", surely their experience isn't unique? With a grand fleet of two, it would seem sensible to try and preserve them - and they do have a role beyond training as any of the ARW ex videos illustrate.

    From memory the AC does send trainees abroad to complete sim training before tackling the EC135.

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    The EC135 was required by the Air Corps after a serious incident involving the GASU heli (Then a twin engine squirrel), when pilot training was considered a contributing factor. One of the main recommendations was that the Air Corps pilots needed other similar type to train on when not flying the operational GASU aircraft. (At the time AC pilot kept current on the GASU aircraft only when it was available, and otherwise flew the Gazelle or Alouette, (Both single engined) when the only other twin engined aircraft in use was the Dauphin, then wholly committed to SAR duties.
    When GASU switched to the EC135, it followed that the AC would also purchase the type for training. While the engines are different, from the front office, both types are identical.
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    Ich habe gar nicht gehört das die EC135 zu komplex war. Die heeresflieger sind sehr zu Frieden mit die EC135.

    Sorry, the German Army and Navy are more than happy with the EC135. It has been the main training helicopter for years. The BO105 were being used for attack helicopter training, to prepare pilots for the Tiger.

    Contracts with service providers are normal as gap fillers, where the Heeresflieger does not have enough capacity .
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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    The article states the Germans found EC135 "to have been too complex for ab initio pilots", surely their experience isn't unique?
    it would appear it is unique

    With a grand fleet of two, it would seem sensible to try and preserve them - and they do have a role beyond training as any of the ARW ex videos illustrate.
    You'd think so

    From memory the AC does send trainees abroad to complete sim training before tackling the EC135.
    which would be normal because flight hours are expensive and they don't have their own sim

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    The nearest RAF unit equivalent to the Ac is 84 Sqn which is an SAR unit based in Cyprus doing ATCA/ATCP ops with Griffins which are leased in with maintenance supplied by contractors with RAF flight and mgt crews. We are told of chronic shortages of personnel in the AC which act as a glass ceiling to ops as recently unfolded.
    There is little point in acquiring aircraft that cannot be used when needed.
    Is it time to sub out some training and maintenance aspects to allow usable resources to be concentrated on ops.

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