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    Warship? (TV Documentary, Ch4)

    Has anyone seen the most recent effort at Documentaries aboard Royal Naval Vessels?

    This time its a 3 parter aboard HMS Ocean. The largest vessel in the Royal Navy (their words).
    It joins the ship and it's crew as it leaves the UK and transits through the med, on its way to Join the USN in the Gulf.
    What's clear from episode 1 is Ocean is mechanically unsound, and not fit for purpose. RN discipline also seems quite lax, with a mech apprentice wandering, in overalls into the wardroom to fix a socket, with no supervision from either her branch or the wardroom staff. Another mech apprentice hangs off a stepladder watching as her colleagues rebuild a cylinder head.
    Within the episode they mention how other navies would look at the RN ships and think "Oh- I don't think I'll take them on", without much in the way of evidence to support this assertion. The "Warship" is a hastily built lightly armed helicopter carrying ship, that is in urgent need of replacement after only 20 years service.

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/warship
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    To be fair, Ocean was ONLY designed for less than 20 years of operation as far as I understand (and most likely wasn't intended to end up the Flagship during that period), she's built to commercial standards to keep costs down and has then been used hard.
    As to the attitude, well I don't think the RN PR section would be too happy if said personnel started cracking jokes about the 45's breaking down or the 26's still being vapourware...

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    If anyone watched "Navy School" you wouldn't be too far off the mark if you though they were Sea Scouts.

    I haven't managed to watch the complete first episode but one of those apprentices was under 18 and they were saying that if the vessel was to go into a warzone she had to be removed..... Ocean was on her way to the Gulf

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    have you a better link to watch ,,, nearly have to give bank account details to get this one ..

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    HMS Ocean has already been offered to Brasil which looks like purchasing it. They bought the second French TCD last year, Chile bought the first TCD. Brasil has also signed a significant contract with South Korea for construction of a new naval base and new LPD. HMS Ocean purchased so Brasil can claim to be only Latin America navy with a 'carrier'
    ....former French CV now condemned and withdraw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarsfield View Post
    HMS Ocean has already been offered to Brasil which looks like purchasing it. They bought the second French TCD last year, Chile bought the first TCD. Brasil has also signed a significant contract with South Korea for construction of a new naval base and new LPD. HMS Ocean purchased so Brasil can claim to be only Latin America navy with a 'carrier'
    ....former French CV now condemned and withdraw.
    Other than National Ego, what is Brazil's driving force here? Buying the CV was insane imo given it's age and limitations, and now an Amphib whose end of lifing? I mean I know like India they can put her into reduce operations compared to how the RN is using her to sustain her but still, why? Wasn't there some talk a while back about them going in with the French on SSN's?

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    As far as I know, Brasil has ring fenced the SAAB/ EMBRAER J39 and the DCNS SSN's. HMS OCEAN is to ensure Brazilian capabilities in mass helicopter amphibious and ASW operations. Brazilian plans for a major naval expansion [ including new DCNS CV, Korean AAW Destroyers] beached due to economic implosion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    If anyone watched "Navy School" you wouldn't be too far off the mark if you though they were Sea Scouts.

    I haven't managed to watch the complete first episode but one of those apprentices was under 18 and they were saying that if the vessel was to go into a warzone she had to be removed..... Ocean was on her way to the Gulf
    Maybe they will ready in time to sail this boat;

    http://www.naval-technology.com/news...marine-5791920

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    Good programme about the Royal Navy. Pity RTÉ doesn't do something similar with the naval service. Even though the migrant crisis show was okay, the naval service role played second fiddle to those economic migrants being rescued

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibenji View Post
    Good programme about the Royal Navy. Pity RTÉ doesn't do something similar with the naval service. Even though the migrant crisis show was okay, the naval service role played second fiddle to those economic migrants being rescued
    It was probably the best programme ever made about the DF

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    It was probably the best programme ever made about the DF
    I agree. And the €€€ owed to crew's materialised since the broadcast. Result

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    It was probably the best programme ever made about the DF
    It was good but it didn't show the weeks of preparation, planning and length of voyage etc required to get there in the first instance. I think that it would good to show all of the defence forces in their day to day role as well and increased awareness will lead to greater public awareness and ultimately increased Df funding

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    on the warship the x.o. is going around lower decks telling ratings where to go,,shows poor drill as once a pipe goes out you go to your assigned station ,,, had to laugh at the lads doing the rubbish../gash.... for extra money ,,,

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    anyone got link for last episode

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    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    An awful lot of the day to day stuff would bore the paint off a wall and does not make good TV; lads shooting guns is cool, lads hauling boxes of teabags into a ship is not. In my time, we had quite a few TV crews visit the Don, film for days and 90% of the footage was junked. An awful lot of what the film crew observe is filtered out.

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    The child on comms during the live RAS scared me. "Are we pumping diesel now yeh? wha?"
    Training and discipline again shown to be very weak. The engine cooling getting blocked while transiting through potentially hostile waters is also a very worrying problem on a vessel commencing a tour as vessel in command of a task group.
    It was also sad that they insist on referring to ocean as an aircraft carrier. Something she was never built or designed to be. Just because a ship carries aircraft, that doesn't make her an aircraft carrier. Hence the awe in the crew's face when a Proper CV passed them with its air group on deck. I fear for the RN following this show. They seem to be believing government spin.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    It seems that whenever a TV program is made involving the RN it involves a lot of the ship is broken down and old kind of stuff , you would think that someone is trying to portray the service in a poor way so as to gain public support for it's once very proud Britannia rules the waves Navy .
    Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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    I remember a similar show some years ago following the Antarctic patrol ship which culminated in it being declared a total loss due to flooding caused by machinery failure. The end result was replacing it with another less suitable commercial vessel pressed into naval use.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    I remember a similar show some years ago following the Antarctic patrol ship which culminated in it being declared a total loss due to flooding caused by machinery failure. The end result was replacing it with another less suitable commercial vessel pressed into naval use.
    Well to be fair, the Endurance (the one that had the flooding) was also a commercial design before it was taken over by the RN. Besides in 2011 when it was formally replaced, the RN had feck all budget for a new build design (remember this was after the 2010 Review).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    It seems that whenever a TV program is made involving the RN it involves a lot of the ship is broken down and old kind of stuff , you would think that someone is trying to portray the service in a poor way so as to gain public support for it's once very proud Britannia rules the waves Navy .
    Well I suppose it depends, I mean I remember watching a program about RN operations in the Caribbean, which had the same issues (engine breakdowns), but then you look at the fact that it was based on a 42 that was basically a helicopter platform with a gun at that stage, so it's not surprising that it was breaking down so much.

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    A previous version of "Warship" is on ForcesTV on Sundays. It's on HMS Illustrious in 2010. It isn't even out of the Channel before it breaks down. The production IMHO is much better.

    It also (so far) protrays the RN as a much more professional outfit.

    "Navy School" - oh my lanterning Jesus, made the RDF look shite hot in every aspect

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    Navy School! Oh that was so awful, I was mortified for them. Naval Training there seems to be all about being happy and comfy and ringing mumsie when things are getting a bit too difficult.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Navy School! Oh that was so awful, I was mortified for them. Naval Training there seems to be all about being happy and comfy and ringing mumsie when things are getting a bit too difficult.
    If it's that bad I'm surprised that the RN actually left it air to be honest, sounds utterly shite in terms of promoting the service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    If it's that bad I'm surprised that the RN actually left it air to be honest, sounds utterly shite in terms of promoting the service.
    There was a lot of it showing people on orders for failing drill module xyz, and then having a good cry down the phone before deciding that maybe the navy is not for them, only to come back 3 months later.
    Another was based around a female recruit who was seen in uniform, giving her marine boyfriend a kiss goodbye, breaking the no-touching rule.
    Anything actually resembling military training was more like what you would expect to see on an ACF training camp. The RDF is the SAS by comparison.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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