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    Scale of Issue of Clothing and soft ordnance to reserve within single force concept

    I am formerly the PDFadministration and training Sgt. with 2 reserve companies .
    At present I am completing a dissertation as part of BA in Logistics through Carlow IT, the title of this dissertation:
    Is the current scale of Clothing & kit adequate for the reserve to be effective with in the Single force concept?

    As part of my research I am conducting a survey regarding the above mentioned to establish attitudes of personnel of all ranks with in the Reserve. To take part in this survey please click on the link below.

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BHB5ZZN

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    Welcome to IMO

    Can you tell us about your research (why?, DF approved?, college? Etc) PM if necessary

    IMHO:
    The kit is generally good quality and fit for purpose (although there is issues with designs).

    The scale of issue needs to be revised as somethings don't make sense (eg you can be issued with some parts of SD1 as a recruit but don't get the whole thing till after 18 months service).

    The requirements/scale of issue for cold & wet weather gear are wrong.

    The layering principle needs to be stuck to.

    All in all the scale of issue isn't too bad, the major issue is getting the kit from stores

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    DFR L3 deals with kit issue. If you can access this, you can check issue. Otherwise you don't have a need to know, I'm afraid
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    MOD: If you PM me why you need to know this and can satisfy me and the other MODs as to your bona fides I will reopen this thread.Until then thread closed.


    MOD Update: Thread reopened after discussions with OP. Fire away.
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    OK Apod. I got a PM from Researcher but was wary of how to answer, but if you are happy with his/her bona fides, then that's fair enough
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    I was formerly the PDF administration and training Sgt. with two Reserve Coys
    At present I am completing a dissertation as part of BA in Logistics through Carlow IT, the title of this dissertation:
    Is the current scale of Clothing & kit adequate for the reserve to be effective with in the Single force concept?

    As part of my research I am conducting a survey regarding the above mentioned to establish attitudes of personnel of all ranks with in the Reserve. To take part in this survey please click on the link below.

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BHB5ZZN

    All information gathered is for statistical purposes only. Data collected will be retained for a period of 12 months.

    I thank you all for taking the time to complete this survey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reseracher View Post
    I was formerly the PDF administration and training Sgt. with two Reserve Coys
    At present I am completing a dissertation as part of BA in Logistics through Carlow IT, the title of this dissertation:
    Is the current scale of Clothing & kit adequate for the reserve to be effective with in the Single force concept?

    As part of my research I am conducting a survey regarding the above mentioned to establish attitudes of personnel of all ranks with in the Reserve. To take part in this survey please click on the link below.

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/BHB5ZZN

    All information gathered is for statistical purposes only. Data collected will be retained for a period of 12 months.

    I thank you all for taking the time to complete this survey.
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    done.... not entirely sure of your concept there .... its a good one for discussion though. I'd disagree with METTS being a deciding factor in clothing issue as fattyboy might be your hardcore regular attender with a mod 3 license who'll drive the truck without fail every single time rain or shine
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    Done

    I also disagree on medical & fitness for clothing

    From experience its next to impossible for me to meet the criteria through no fault of mine (just the cluster that is the DF)

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    One obvious one - one issue of a T shirt per year? Initial issue of two would be better. Got one short sleeve and one long sleeve. Long sleeve does not get used as much, but having to hand back the T shirt to get a replacement issue is a bit much
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    One issue per year?That's not right. Someone is telling you porkies.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Done. is initial issue of the dry flows not 2x Long and 2x Short sleeve? That's what I got when they came out

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    Nah the stores folks invented some policy that they only give one of each, got a complete new issue a few years back to make up for 8 or 9 years of nothing. Even though I was due 2x pants/shirt/dryflo they only gave me one. This was in bde stores not the cqs buckshee store.
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    You could always go back and request more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo20 View Post
    You could always go back and request more.
    True I should have added that it's 1x per visit, they said it was a DF wide restriction at the time, I visited the buckshee store for some stuff to trash on the grand all I needed really was magnums and no1s.
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    The scale of issue is hugely misunderstood.

    If it isn't on your scale of issue then you shouldn't receive it (but you may sometimes be given it)

    If it is on your scale of issue you are entitled to requisition it (it doesn't mean your entitled to be issued it).

    Here's some example (made up to illustrate point)
    - tshirt with nominal life of 1 year - doesn't mean you get a tshirt(s) every year - if it is over 1 year old you aren't charged for a replacement

    - 3 tshirts initial issue - you can requisition 3 tshirts - you may not get any or you could get 10

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    Not quite Dev. Yes about the notional life. However the initial issue is what you are supposed to receive as it is the scale of issue designed to meet the operational needs. Yes the required items may not be in store, in which case you can requisition them when they do get in store.

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    Initial issue is what a Recruit receives.Or if a new item goes on issue and it is your first time getting it.
    Recruits should always be given the full entitlement where possible.
    If an item is demanded and not issued technically the demand is still "live" until the backordered item is issued.That's what is supposed to happen.In practice units tend to make life easy on the stores and hard on themselves by going throught the whole process again or worse by not bothering at all and leaving the soldier in the lurch.
    If the scale of issue for a particular item says you are entitled to two (long sleeve t-shirts for example) than that the max you can hold at any one time.You then look for a replacement as fair wear and tear.if you are a good soldier and you look after your t-shirts then you can build up a stock of them as underclothes dont' have to returned to stores on replacement,only produced for kit inspection on demand.Which,lets face it,rarely happens.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Initial issue is what a Recruit receives.Or if a new item goes on issue and it is your first time getting it.
    Recruits should always be given the full entitlement where possible.
    If an item is demanded and not issued technically the demand is still "live" until the backordered item is issued.That's what is supposed to happen.In practice units tend to make life easy on the stores and hard on themselves by going throught the whole process again or worse by not bothering at all and leaving the soldier in the lurch.
    If the scale of issue for a particular item says you are entitled to two (long sleeve t-shirts for example) than that the max you can hold at any one time.You then look for a replacement as fair wear and tear.if you are a good soldier and you look after your t-shirts then you can build up a stock of them as underclothes dont' have to returned to stores on replacement,only produced for kit inspection on demand.Which,lets face it,rarely happens.
    Except currently there is no way of tracking the back orders

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    Initial issue is what a Recruit receives.Or if a new item goes on issue and it is your first time getting it.
    Recruits should always be given the full entitlement where possible.
    If an item is demanded and not issued technically the demand is still "live" until the backordered item is issued.That's what is supposed to happen.In practice units tend to make life easy on the stores and hard on themselves by going throught the whole process again or worse by not bothering at all and leaving the soldier in the lurch.
    If the scale of issue for a particular item says you are entitled to two (long sleeve t-shirts for example) than that the max you can hold at any one time.You then look for a replacement as fair wear and tear.if you are a good soldier and you look after your t-shirts then you can build up a stock of them as underclothes dont' have to returned to stores on replacement,only produced for kit inspection on demand.Which,lets face it,rarely happens.

    I have wondered for the past few years if it would be easier and cheaper to have Amazon mail you your replacements as per notional life, with a FWT tracking system such as

    : trousers get ripped on an ex , soldier takes pic, clicks on "send replacement demand" on mobile phone app , OC approves on his app, Amazon sends replacement trousers

    serial offenders can be easily tracked

    just think of the awesome amount of wasted hours saved for soldiers, orderly room, CQ, stores, officers
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    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/irish-defence...k/252962143508

    People cant get issued with clothing.....but yet they can be put up on ebay!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EL_CAPATIANO View Post
    http://www.ebay.ie/itm/irish-defence...k/252962143508

    People cant get issued with clothing.....but yet they can be put up on ebay!!!!!!!
    If anyone pays 100 notes for that, they're a bigger eejit...
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