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    Although the above article is incorrect it is not primarily a CT op



    So should the NS continue on OP PONTUS or should the State deploy a vessel with Operation Sophia instead?
    27
    Yes
    74.07%
    20
    No
    18.52%
    5
    Not sure
    7.41%
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  • #2
    Surely a political decision not a military one
    "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

    "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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    • #3
      The recent experience near the Libyan coast shows why a stronger force with a stronger mandate is necessary. i.e Sophia
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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      • #4
        Shouldn't join either, let the participants of the Libyan Air show tidy up their mess.
        Everyone who's ever loved you was wrong.

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        • #5
          Surely it is better to try and limit the amount of smuggling rather than hoping that you are in the right location when needed. The NGO's role should be the taxi service while the NS should be part of the deterrent

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          • #6
            The Naval Sevice requested to join Op Sophia months ago for "added protection" but the Government refused the request.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by trellheim View Post
              Surely a political decision not a military one
              Obviously and who's advise would the decision be based on? DoD and COS (with input from others)

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              • #8
                For me the only issues would be the public preception, PR etc

                The NS (and wider DF) have go huge public support for PONTUS

                Also politically I'd be surprised if the likes of SF, AAA, Mick Wallace, Clare Daly etc supported it

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                • #9
                  Sophia has its problems: https://euobserver.com/migration/138451

                  These are not Somali pirates ...

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                  • #10
                    I can't believe the EU are being criticised for putting the vessels beyond use. The refugees are as likely to die in an overcrowded wooden boat as in an improvised rubber one.
                    Amnesty missing the point as usual.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #11
                      Before PONTUS Smugglers had to be sure the boats had a reasonable chance of making it to Europe. Now all they have to do is make it to the nearest naval vessel and the journey is practically in the bag.
                      It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bam Bam View Post
                        Before PONTUS Smugglers had to be sure the boats had a reasonable chance of making it to Europe. Now all they have to do is make it to the nearest naval vessel and the journey is practically in the bag.
                        What makes you think the smugglers gave a monkies about the boats as long as they weren't on them.

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                        • #13
                          They don't, but they can now spend much less on them than before.
                          It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                            The refugees are as likely to die in an overcrowded wooden boat as in an improvised rubber one.
                            .... and in greater numbers. There is no hold to cram people into on the dinghy's.
                            Last edited by Orion; 8 July 2017, 00:12.

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                            • #15
                              The people are being sent to sea to die...the smugglers don't care about the end result.

                              There is a solution which seems to hvae been removed, which is deploying troops and securing the coast line so the boats don't make it to sea.

                              All those countries who have problems with an influx of refugees, Austria etc. boots on the ground and prevent loss of life before it happens
                              Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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