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  • #16
    Problem is Libya are having none of it. Impossible, with current political situation on the ground to close each seafront. Doing so makes the migrants the problem of the country they are turned back from.
    I did find it strange however that Italy is taking most of the Burden, while spain seems to be escaping the most of the migrant crisis, even though its mainland is closer to the african coast.


    Anti-migrant groups accuse aid agencies of providing a taxi service to migrants crossing to Europe.
    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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    • #17
      I did find it strange however that Italy is taking most of the Burden, while spain seems to be escaping the most of the migrant crisis, even though its mainland is closer to the african coast
      Morocco and Tunisia are more stable politically and are in a better position to secure their own borders.
      Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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      • #18
        Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
        Problem is Libya are having none of it. Impossible, with current political situation on the ground to close each seafront. Doing so makes the migrants the problem of the country they are turned back from.
        I did find it strange however that Italy is taking most of the Burden, while spain seems to be escaping the most of the migrant crisis, even though its mainland is closer to the african coast.


        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40505337
        Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
        Morocco and Tunisia are more stable politically and are in a better position to secure their own borders.
        The currently non-existent NI Assembly is more stable than Libya!

        Libya currently has more than 1 national government

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          The currently non-existent NI Assembly is more stable than Libya!

          Libya currently has more than 1 national government
          The overall social consequences in all of Africa, the Middle East, and near Asia, caused by wars and religious conflicts is causing a mass migration of populations to Europe. The only hope of stopping it is a stabilisation of such social conditions in the countries currently depopulating. Stopping them at the Libyan beaches is NOT a solution, such people need to be assured that staying in their own countries is the better solution. The fault lies with allowing countries to wage war on their own populations without a corrective oversight by world bodies such as the UN and all its subsets.
          We are at a tipping point and major countries in the region need to account for their inaction. Italy should not stand alone.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            The overall social consequences in all of Africa, the Middle East, and near Asia, caused by wars and religious conflicts is causing a mass migration of populations to Europe. The only hope of stopping it is a stabilisation of such social conditions in the countries currently depopulating. Stopping them at the Libyan beaches is NOT a solution, such people need to be assured that staying in their own countries is the better solution. The fault lies with allowing countries to wage war on their own populations without a corrective oversight by world bodies such as the UN and all its subsets.
            We are at a tipping point and major countries in the region need to account for their inaction. Italy should not stand alone.
            Surely you are not saying that the former colonies can't run themselves due to endemic inability, and should revert to being ruled by grown-ups?

            I remember hearing the same view put forward by a retired senion NGO aid worker in a radio interview a few years ago...
            'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
            'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
            Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
            He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
            http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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            • #21
              Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
              The overall social consequences in all of Africa, the Middle East, and near Asia, caused by wars and religious conflicts is causing a mass migration of populations to Europe. The only hope of stopping it is a stabilisation of such social conditions in the countries currently depopulating.
              agreed and part of that is the actions/inactions of major powers

              Stopping them at the Libyan beaches is NOT a solution
              thousands of people are coming out of Libya because it is a failing state (due to Gaddafi and the West's actions/inactions

              such people need to be assured that staying in their own countries is the better solution. The fault lies with allowing countries to wage war on their own populations without a corrective oversight by world bodies such as the UN and all its subsets.
              There will always be refugees and/or IDPs. In a lot of cases they aren't better off staying in their own countries.

              We are at a tipping point and major countries in the region need to account for their inaction. Italy should not stand alone.
              agreed

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                Surely you are not saying that the former colonies can't run themselves due to endemic inability, and should revert to being ruled by grown-ups?

                I remember hearing the same view put forward by a retired senion NGO aid worker in a radio interview a few years ago...
                I was in Lagos in the 1950's before the Cement Armadas and we were told that outside of the UK , Nigeria had the best Civil Service , Schooling system. and Army and were a prime example of a country that would be a beacon for self rule for the world at large. The problem is despite good intentions, those in power develop a sense of entitlement and want to retain power and cream off a portion of GDP for personal and familial use. In all these countries a sense of nationality , value, and social stability is missing with NGO's filling gaps and in a way making things worse. Imagine India, a nuclear power, large Navy, Army, Airforce, a huge trading nation and we Europeans are still looking after their street children and a range of social needs. It's more than ridiculous!! The UN needs to act more as a regulatory body with oversight powers to teach and train the Mobutu's of this world how to look after their countries.

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                • #23
                  There is always the arguement that the NGO's are taking the pressure off bad governance by filling in the gaps that the ruling elite can't be bothered to fill. I have a few friends who worked on the ground for NGO's in Africa, the eventually gave up in dispair. Basically, the said that the natives in most cases were not interested in helping or changing the situatuin, just in what they could do to benefit from it themselves. For how many years have NGO's been training teachers, medical staff, engineers etc in Africa?

                  The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
                  'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                  'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                  Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                  He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                  http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                  • #24
                    This on the BBC. I was surprised at how blatant the people-smugglers are - and how naive the NGO were acting...

                    Migrant smugglers are getting more brazen, so the coastguard is using a controversial tactic to stop them.
                    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
                    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
                    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
                    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
                    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Flamingo View Post
                      This on the BBC. I was surprised at how blatant the people-smugglers are - and how naive the NGO were acting...

                      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-e...-mediterranean
                      one of the smugglers looks to be very caucasian

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                        • #27
                          Our ship will have the support of Naval Organisation and will experience for the first time working in an EUNAVFOR. The downside may be certain incidents at home or abroad but as part of Europe, and shared benefits and tasks, we must show solidarity in dealing with common problems.

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                          • #28
                            Niamh rescued 53 migrants today as part of EUNAVFOR Med / SOPHIA

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