Why isn't there a F Uck Yeahhhhhhhhh button.
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Thinking that our neighbours should lay up, after preservation, troop carrying strategic vessels , such as HMS Ocean amphibious assault and Command ship, and Fleets Flag ship, rather than delete her to save money and lose critical operational advantage. The new CV's are not a replacement and must stay afloat to launch aircraft and be there to receive them back. The latest breeds of MOD Secretary's have little sense of the importance of naval Power, and it's presence, in the realm of World influence.
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The RN have already decided to bin both their Amphib ships in order to keep the carriers afloat. An admiral has resigned in protest. The Problem may lie with their "government" who seem intent on messing the whole country up, but much of the blame falls firmly on the First Sea Lord, head of the RN, who approved the proposal.
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Well I'm not sure he alone should be blamed,, the decades of cuts have left the RN with nothing but the bare bones of the fleet, there's nothing left to cut that isn't going to have massive impacts on the capabilities of the RN. Short of real and sustained budget increases there's not really any option left.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostAND keep critical tonnage in reserve to cover inevitable " rainy " days . Don't sell or scrap prematurely .
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostThat's not the Admiral's call nor even the MOD's and frankly there's nobody in Westminster that's going to make that call. So within the reality that they face there's nothing they can do except cut.
Meanwhile capital ships are quietly being deleted and sold, often without the knowledge of Military Authorities.
RFA Largs Bay was snapped up by the RAN. It broke down on its way to the Southern Hemisphere, and no spares were available.
The First of the River Class was decommissioned recently after barely 14 years in service. Prematurely retired to make way for vessels being built only to keep the british shipbuilding industry active.
RFA Diligence, a submarine tender was axed with no replacement sought. RFA Argus is rumoured to be for the chop soon also.
How much more are they willing to cut just to keep the dream of Aircraft carriers alive (even if their aircraft are still a long, long way off.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Is it just me or is the quote function acting up?
In terms of laying up the ships, you assume that enough of the public would care? I mean there was no massive public outrage when the RFA hull contract went to South Korea instead of UK yards. Nor when the Batch 2 Rivers were bought just to justify the money given to BAE, nor the fact that the 26's are a joke of project management.
The Rot of the RN started long before the Carriers (which were always most likely to be STOL hulls, the chances of the CATOBAR were slim all the time), but again it was masked and ignored by the politicians and public.
As for the choices since, you're ignoring certain facts, Largs Bay was flogged off because of it's material condition, the RN new her faults and the cost for fixing her, so flogged her off to the RAN who didn't check the conditions (like the Upholder's to Canada).
Where the RN is, is a result of 2-3 decades of stupidity, shortsightedness and political ignorance, none of the choices left to the admirals will change that, even if they had flogged off POW like suggested in 2010 they'd still be in this state imo.
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If there were numerous grey rusting hulls taking up space at the anchorages in Devonport and Portsmouth, middle England wouldn't be long kicking up a fuss. Ships should be at sea, not laid up.
And definitely not laid up in prime yachting territory.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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How much of a fuss was made when the RN did so before? Didn't save the Battleships that hung around in reserve, or the Carriers, Cruisers, Destroyers...
What I'm a bit surprised at is that the RN seems to hit repeated cycles of manpower issues along with their capital expenditure issues.
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Originally posted by na grohmit� View PostIf there were numerous grey rusting hulls taking up space at the anchorages in Devonport and Portsmouth, middle England wouldn't be long kicking up a fuss. Ships should be at sea, not laid up.
And definitely not laid up in prime yachting territory.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostIs it just me or is the quote function acting up?
In terms of laying up the ships, you assume that enough of the public would care? I mean there was no massive public outrage when the RFA hull contract went to South Korea instead of UK yards. Nor when the Batch 2 Rivers were bought just to justify the money given to BAE, nor the fact that the 26's are a joke of project management.
The Rot of the RN started long before the Carriers (which were always most likely to be STOL hulls, the chances of the CATOBAR were slim all the time), but again it was masked and ignored by the politicians and public.
As for the choices since, you're ignoring certain facts, Largs Bay was flogged off because of it's material condition, the RN new her faults and the cost for fixing her, so flogged her off to the RAN who didn't check the conditions (like the Upholder's to Canada).
Where the RN is, is a result of 2-3 decades of stupidity, shortsightedness and political ignorance, none of the choices left to the admirals will change that, even if they had flogged off POW like suggested in 2010 they'd still be in this state imo.
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