You are in the right ball park.It is clear that the UK should NOT be a sole deterrent actor and any Budgets associated with that must have an Alliance sharing of Costs. Perhaps the UK should drop into the top strata of Conventional Forces keeping in mind Commonwealth and Overseas Territories obligations and the need for tonnage to meet exigencies weather related or otherwise. An Atlantic Island country without MPA's was a shocker.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostYou are in the right ball park.It is clear that the UK should NOT be a sole deterrent actor and any Budgets associated with that must have an Alliance sharing of Costs. Perhaps the UK should drop into the top strata of Conventional Forces keeping in mind Commonwealth and Overseas Territories obligations and the need for tonnage to meet exigencies weather related or otherwise. An Atlantic Island country without MPA's was a shocker.
In terms of the nuclear question, honestly I don't see that being the sole cost issue even with the burden it's going to place on the budget next decade, the issue is that the UK is playing games with the budgets both with the War funding, and Pension funding in with the 2%. What we are seeing is the Post Cold War choices/funding/expectations coming together.
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Naval Work for All
Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostYou are in the right ball park.It is clear that the UK should NOT be a sole deterrent actor and any Budgets associated with that must have an Alliance sharing of Costs. Perhaps the UK should drop into the top strata of Conventional Forces keeping in mind Commonwealth and Overseas Territories obligations and the need for tonnage to meet exigencies weather related or otherwise. An Atlantic Island country without MPA's was a shocker.
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Amphibious Forces
Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostOh I'm sure we'll have which Minster explain why the RN platforms that they have are so much better that they don't need anything anymore than what they have.
Despite a cohort emptying the barrel of capability, The British Amphibious Forces and all their current Kit is outlined in some detail on an illustrated document available online at ThinkDefence.co.uk. They include HMS Albion, HMS Ocean, and 4 Bay Class Auxillaries ( one sold to Australia). It's a good article. In another new area of endeavour, driven by NATO, the British Forces are running a major course on dealing with Defensive and Offensive action in Cyberspace " IT Defensive and Offensive Procedures". Particularily important to those at sea as we are plugged in to Cyberspace for everything.
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Eu defence
Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostYou are in the right ball park.It is clear that the UK should NOT be a sole deterrent actor and any Budgets associated with that must have an Alliance sharing of Costs. Perhaps the UK should drop into the top strata of Conventional Forces keeping in mind Commonwealth and Overseas Territories obligations and the need for tonnage to meet exigencies weather related or otherwise. An Atlantic Island country without MPA's was a shocker.
the EU Foreign Policy Chief talks about countries that do not live up to commitments could be kicked out of the Group. The Group can use their combined financial spending to purchase military capability.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post... The German statements are quite Gung-Ho....
Eurocopter Tiger, Tornado, Typhoon, A400M....
The astute will note that a recent German proposal for a multi-national, European 5/6th Gen aircraft to replace the Tornado and eventually Typhoon, Gripen - and one assumes Rafale - fell on deaf ears. Everyone knows their game now...
Every time you hear a German statement about defence spending and responsibilities, look at the state of the German Military - they've been honking off about increasing defence spending for years, but they've not done so. Disarmament by obscolesence.
There are countries within the EU you can trust on defence topics - Poland, France, Denmark, Sweden - but the Germans are not on that list.Last edited by ropebag; 14 November 2017, 14:51.
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Originally posted by ropebag View PostA word of wisdom to the new at this - initial German enthusiasm for amount project is about securing workshare, then, once workshare has been doled out on the basis of initial orders,the German government cuts it order by between a half and two thirds.
Eurocopter Tiger, Tornado, Typhoon, A400M....
The astute will note that a recent German proposal for a multi-enginedshe, European 5/6th Gen aircraft to replace the Tornado and eventually Typhoon - and one assumes Rafale - fell on deaf ears. Everyone knows their game now...
Every time you hear a German statement about defence spending and responsibilities, look at the state of the German Military - they've been honking off about increasing defence spending for years, but they've not done so.
There are countries within the EU you can trust on defence topics - Poland, France, Denmark, Sweden - but the Germans are not on that list.
And yes they have been promising to increase spending (and again every nation, including one who plays silly buggers with sticking the pension funds into the equation to meet the 2% "cough UK" is doing so), Germany has increased spending/orders, with I think a couple of hundred Leo 2's being brought out of storage and upgraded, 5 new Corvettes ordered, signing on with the Eurotanker program etc
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Originally posted by ropebag View Post
There are countries within the EU you can trust on defence topics - Poland, France, Denmark, Sweden - but the Germans are not on that list.
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