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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    ... The German statements are quite Gung-Ho....
    A word of wisdom to the new at this - initial German enthusiasm for a multi-national project is about securing workshare, then, once workshare has been doled out on the basis of initial orders,the German government cuts it order by between a half and two thirds.

    Eurocopter Tiger, Tornado, Typhoon, A400M....

    The astute will note that a recent German proposal for a multi-national, European 5/6th Gen aircraft to replace the Tornado and eventually Typhoon, Gripen - and one assumes Rafale - fell on deaf ears. Everyone knows their game now...

    Every time you hear a German statement about defence spending and responsibilities, look at the state of the German Military - they've been honking off about increasing defence spending for years, but they've not done so. Disarmament by obscolesence.

    There are countries within the EU you can trust on defence topics - Poland, France, Denmark, Sweden - but the Germans are not on that list.
    Last edited by ropebag; 14th November 2017 at 15:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    A word of wisdom to the new at this - initial German enthusiasm for amount project is about securing workshare, then, once workshare has been doled out on the basis of initial orders,the German government cuts it order by between a half and two thirds.

    Eurocopter Tiger, Tornado, Typhoon, A400M....

    The astute will note that a recent German proposal for a multi-enginedshe, European 5/6th Gen aircraft to replace the Tornado and eventually Typhoon - and one assumes Rafale - fell on deaf ears. Everyone knows their game now...

    Every time you hear a German statement about defence spending and responsibilities, look at the state of the German Military - they've been honking off about increasing defence spending for years, but they've not done so.

    There are countries within the EU you can trust on defence topics - Poland, France, Denmark, Sweden - but the Germans are not on that list.
    That's a bit off, for most of the projects you mentioned, EVERY nation cut orders on procurement (how many Typhoons were the RAF meant to order back when it kicked off?), and you can't ignore the fact that a) Germany had to deal with the massive economic costs of Unification and b) the fallout of the Cold War cuts. Where you complaining when in the height of the Cold War they made up a massive chunk of the Ground Forces? Did they cut too far, yes, but again arguable Every European NATO nation and Canada did so and all are struggling with the results. It's not a unique German issue (shall we mention the planned 45 order that ended up with half for example?)

    And yes they have been promising to increase spending (and again every nation, including one who plays silly buggers with sticking the pension funds into the equation to meet the 2% "cough UK" is doing so), Germany has increased spending/orders, with I think a couple of hundred Leo 2's being brought out of storage and upgraded, 5 new Corvettes ordered, signing on with the Eurotanker program etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post

    There are countries within the EU you can trust on defence topics - Poland, France, Denmark, Sweden - but the Germans are not on that list.
    Well , would you believe it , the opt outs are Portugal, Malta, Denmark, GB, AND IRELAND. The others will take care of our communal responsibilities yet again.

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