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"Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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The DF is going to s**t because we have kids instructing Kids with no experience behind them
Dunno about that, Wifes cousin is gone in as a cadet with three years 12bn behind him..hardly a red arse, good switihed on youngfella. Chances are from 108 cadets some will have made the jump from the ranks.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post.
Dunno about that, Wifes cousin is gone in as a cadet with three years 12bn behind him..hardly a red arse, good switihed on youngfella. Chances are from 108 cadets some will have made the jump from the ranks.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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They are in the minority.Trust me.
We have people promoted on a friday and sent to the College on a monday to instruct.In any other Army in the world there is no way that would be allowed.
You need to have walked the walk to talk the talk.
Utter madness."Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.
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Originally posted by apod View PostThey are in the minority.Trust me.
We have people promoted on a friday and sent to the College on a monday to instruct.In any other Army in the world there is no way that would be allowed.
You need to have walked the walk to talk the talk.
Utter madness.
So should secondment to training establishments be mandatory rather that voluntary to deal with the shortage of suitably qualified people?
is the tail wagging the dog?Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Mandatory secondments might solve the problem regarding shortage of suitably qualified personnel but would only further increase shortages in Bn's etc.
Bigger issue is systemic under staffing of the DF as a whole and retention. Mandatory secondments may also be the final push that fed up senior NCO's might need to make the decision to leave also, further reducing experienced numbers.An army is power. Its entire purpose is to coerce others. This power can not be used carelessly or recklessly. This power can do great harm. We have seen more suffering than any man should ever see, and if there is going to be an end to it, it must be an end that justifies the cost. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain
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Originally posted by apod View PostThey are in the minority.Trust me.
We have people promoted on a friday and sent to the College on a monday to instruct.In any other Army in the world there is no way that would be allowed.
You need to have walked the walk to talk the talk.
Utter madness.
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Mandatory secondments may also be the final push that fed up senior NCO's might need to make the decision to leave also, further reducing experienced numbers.
Poor morale will cause more problems than lack of experience, experience can be gained but, if people lose interest how do you motivate people to do the best at their work and gain the experience?
Restoration of pay would go along way towards re establishing some of the morale. But as within the rest of the public sector the changes have been so cutting that elements of the morale and the knowledge that should things take a turn for the worst we will always be in the firing line, irreparable damage has been done.Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe
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Originally posted by hptmurphy View PostBut if that creates career vacancies for people not so fed up is that actually a bad thing?
Poor morale will cause more problems than lack of experience, experience can be gained but, if people lose interest how do you motivate people to do the best at their work and gain the experience?
Restoration of pay would go along way towards re establishing some of the morale. But as within the rest of the public sector the changes have been so cutting that elements of the morale and the knowledge that should things take a turn for the worst we will always be in the firing line, irreparable damage has been done.
Don't envy those who have to figure out how, mind you..."Well, stone me! We've had cocaine, bribery and Arsenal scoring two goals at home. But just when you thought there were truly no surprises left in football, Vinnie Jones turns out to be an international player!" (Jimmy Greaves)!"
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