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    I would have been hoping that Extra Force Protection might refer to an AML90/Scorpion replacement
    MRV is AML 90 replacement, could do with a few more but there won't be another vehicle type purchased especially after the LTAV disaster
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    so what makes the LTAV a disaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    so what makes the LTAV a disaster?
    i'm given to understand that it has the reliability of a French wedding vow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    so what makes the LTAV a disaster?
    The model we bought was based on AFAIK a reliable proven vehicle..... but we were the first (only?) purchaser of the new model

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    It seems to spend most of its life on the back of a recovery vehicle

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    Queens of the garage.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    body armour for troops.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...raft-1.3251330

    So the somewhat disliked current BA is going bye bye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocinante View Post
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...raft-1.3251330

    So the somewhat disliked current BA is going bye bye?
    One would hope.But the article does not imply that.It could be just more purchases of the same.
    Hopefully not.The current model is ok for CSS personnel but no good for Infantry etc.
    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    so what makes the LTAV a disaster?
    Seems that they are carried more than driven, to the degree they rarely get brought out and hence are quite unpopular, but then again the whole concept of LTAV seems to have come full circle, being too small ( crew wise ) to be effective unless deployed as part of a bigger group and given we have relatively a small amount or a largely unreliable vehicle they have no real role. But.. and a big but... the AMLs both 60s and 90s tended to be hanger queens unless used regularly and only really became reliable when the engine changes came about in the latter days of their lives...so don't give up on the LTAVs just yet!
    Just visiting

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    yep, just like aircraft; use them or lose them.

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    Wrt LTAV, worth having a look to see what others are replacing the type with. Humvee replacement being a prime example.
    Well, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that Neil will be taking over both branches, and some of you will lose your jobs. Those of you who are kept on will have to relocate to Swindon, if you wanna stay. I know, gutting. On a more positive note, the good news is, I've been promoted, so... every cloud. You're still thinking about the bad news aren't you?

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    Appears our problems with vehicles in the LTAV class aren't completely unique anyway:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41431507

    Wonder what the lads in the BA think of them generally

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    Basically the entire generation of ltav (panther, eagle iv, etc) had massive problems. There are plans for more, hopefully when the jltv will be availablefor export.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Appears our problems with vehicles in the LTAV class aren't completely unique anyway:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41431507

    Wonder what the lads in the BA think of them generally
    Panther (IVECO LMV) also suffers reliability and maintenance issues

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    so is it electronics failing to cope with Irish rain? what's breaking down on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    so is it electronics failing to cope with Irish rain? what's breaking down on them?
    Shoddy build quality. Lack of standard construction (wiring), drive shaft couplings, ECu configurations, etc etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Appears our problems with vehicles in the LTAV class aren't completely unique anyway:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41431507

    Wonder what the lads in the BA think of them generally
    About twenty parked up at Warcop ranges Cumbria yesterday, don't know if they are running lot of weeds around them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Appears our problems with vehicles in the LTAV class aren't completely unique anyway:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41431507

    Wonder what the lads in the BA think of them generally
    I've a little bit of experience of Foxhound.

    I think its a good bit of kit...offers great mobility and protection especially in an urban environment...but also has good cross-country capabilities.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34498998

    If that had been SNATCH... IMHO they'd have all been killed or VSI.

    Foxhound is also much less intimidating and more manoeuvrable than MRAPS or Bushmaster.

    Being careful about what I say...its biggest issue has been overheating (already open source) in hot and dusty places...but that is being addressed.

    Its also quite maintenance intensive generally.

    Apart from that its quite liked by those who crew it...my main criticism of Foxhound is that there is no proper protection for the top-cover sentries...ie no coupla.

    I'm not sure why it was designed without one...possibly to do with height / weight / centre of gravity etc...more likely to save money.
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    I've a little bit of experience of Foxhound.

    I think its a good bit of kit...offers great mobility and protection especially in an urban environment...but also has good cross-country capabilities.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34498998

    If that had been SNATCH... IMHO they'd have all been killed or VSI.

    Foxhound is also much less intimidating and more manoeuvrable than MRAPS or Bushmaster.

    Being careful about what I say...its biggest issue has been overheating (already open source) in hot and dusty places...but that is being addressed.

    Its also quite maintenance intensive generally.

    Apart from that its quite liked by those who crew it...my main criticism of Foxhound is that there is no proper protection for the top-cover sentries...ie no coupla.

    I'm not sure why it was designed without one...possibly to do with height / weight / centre of gravity etc...more likely to save money.
    Do they use a top cover sentry?

    No seat for IED protection

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Panther (IVECO LMV) also suffers reliability and maintenance issues
    They seem to do the job intended though, 4 spaniards walked away after one went over a mine in lebanon the other year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Do they use a top cover sentry?

    No seat for IED protection
    Look at the video I posted...you'll see soldiers doing top cover.

    Please elaborate a little on 'no seat for IED protection'...
    'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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    Quote Originally Posted by spider View Post
    Look at the video I posted...you'll see soldiers doing top cover.

    Please elaborate a little on 'no seat for IED protection'...
    Thanks.

    The crew and troops who a seated are in specially designed seats to keep them in the seats and protect them in case of a blast. A Guy standing in the hatch has no chance

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    i thought the belief was that the gunner would probably be projected out of an IED-striking vehicle instead of being trapped and crushed by a rollover...

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    Thread might be drifting a bit lads...

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