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    Sick Leave PQs ( Split out )

    Some interesting numbers on Days Sick Leave taken RDF do not really figure in these numbers http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....nt#WRNNNN02925
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Some interesting numbers on Days Sick Leave taken RDF do not really figure in these numbers http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....nt#WRNNNN02925
    A rapidly rising rate of sick leave over the last 3 years, at a time when the organisation has been losing numbers is another indication that the 2012 reorg was ineffective and coupled with the strains placed on many with the changed promotion systems and generally chronically low morale is a sad reflection of the status of our organisation at the end of 2017. Sickleave is up from 66000 in 2015 to being on trend for circa 80000 in 2017, a 20% increase, placing yet more strain on units.

    Our much hailed hero that some claimed was going to be the next D. Earley has been amongst the least effective leaders our organisation has seen in decades! The unwillingness or inability to address the issue has been flagged at various levels going right back to his time as DCos Sp. The current MoS has no grasp on the reality of the situation. There was a complete unwillingness to recognise the problems in 2014 and 2015 when the haemorrhage was being flagged and could have been addressed. When brigades a losing the equivalent of a platoon a month you know something is rotten somewhere.

    You are left with a crazy scenario where they are recruiting hundreds of recruits and cadets to stem the flow but without the middle management in the units to supervise, nurture and develop these new inductees we are about to face another challenge. Units do not have enough Sgts, experienced Lts or Capts to do the real training when the new pers arrive in units. There are Bns that have 1 Capt and maybe 3 Lts (commissioned in 2016 -17) as their total YO strength. Units are overstrength in Ptes in many cases because the magic number of 9500 gets bandied about. Promotions from the ongoing NCO promotion system will help fill NCO appointments ... maybe or will further antagonise the situation where NCOs with 15 -30 years service are uprooted without support and dropped into a unit 200km away.

    The increase in sick leave is symptomatic of an organisation that has lost its number 1 asset - the goodwill of its employees! How can it be resolved? I think we are long gone past the point of a quick resolution!

    The 700+ new enlistees that Kehoe bangs on about as if it was a panacea will be a HR nightmare for the next few years trying to upskill and qualify these and then find overseas appointments for will be challenging to say the least!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantasia View Post
    A rapidly rising rate of sick leave over the last 3 years, at a time when the organisation has been losing numbers is another indication that the 2012 reorg was ineffective and coupled with the strains placed on many with the changed promotion systems and generally chronically low morale is a sad reflection of the status of our organisation at the end of 2017. Sickleave is up from 66000 in 2015 to being on trend for circa 80000 in 2017, a 20% increase, placing yet more strain on units.

    Our much hailed hero that some claimed was going to be the next D. Earley has been amongst the least effective leaders our organisation has seen in decades! The unwillingness or inability to address the issue has been flagged at various levels going right back to his time as DCos Sp. The current MoS has no grasp on the reality of the situation. There was a complete unwillingness to recognise the problems in 2014 and 2015 when the haemorrhage was being flagged and could have been addressed. When brigades a losing the equivalent of a platoon a month you know something is rotten somewhere.

    You are left with a crazy scenario where they are recruiting hundreds of recruits and cadets to stem the flow but without the middle management in the units to supervise, nurture and develop these new inductees we are about to face another challenge. Units do not have enough Sgts, experienced Lts or Capts to do the real training when the new pers arrive in units. There are Bns that have 1 Capt and maybe 3 Lts (commissioned in 2016 -17) as their total YO strength. Units are overstrength in Ptes in many cases because the magic number of 9500 gets bandied about. Promotions from the ongoing NCO promotion system will help fill NCO appointments ... maybe or will further antagonise the situation where NCOs with 15 -30 years service are uprooted without support and dropped into a unit 200km away.

    The increase in sick leave is symptomatic of an organisation that has lost its number 1 asset - the goodwill of its employees! How can it be resolved? I think we are long gone past the point of a quick resolution!

    The 700+ new enlistees that Kehoe bangs on about as if it was a panacea will be a HR nightmare for the next few years trying to upskill and qualify these and then find overseas appointments for will be challenging to say the least!!
    The most honest and accurate post on this issue I have read in a long time.Well said.
    Those of us who have stuck around.usually due to financial/family circumstances are being flaaahd from having to take up the slack for the people that are missing. as a result people are getting burnt out and the taskings don't let up.They just keep on mounting up.
    If our best asset is our people,then I put it that we are abusing and losing that asset.No amount of new equipment or recruits will alleviate that. We need to look after those we have and back them up as quickly as possible.
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    Wonder how much of this is USL
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Wonder how much of this is USL
    Quite a bit I dare say.The redbook also is reaching epidemic proportions and for good reason.
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    epidemic
    pun intended ?
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    As far back as 2006, I was hearing of units that had a kitty to which they all contributed weekly. This was to cover fines for those who were inevitably charged with being AWOL, such was the frequency.

    As for the criticism of the CoS, none are more disappointed than those in Haulbowline who supported his career progression all the while defending him from opposition by those wearing green uniforms. However they all found that as soon he moved to Newbridge, those who supported him were very quickly forgotten. (I count myself among that number). However much of his failure at appointment comes from the structure of HQ. As FOCNS he was immersed in all activities of the NS, and surrounded himself with some of the best staff the NS had to offer. However he is last in the door at DFHQ. He is detached geographically and physically from the defence forces. His staff, for the most part have served their career at DFHQ and have no interest in changing the status quo . Combine the layers of civil servants whose only interest is on working up their flexi and completing the Times crossword before tea break, hoping to return to find an email offerring them promotion to a more cushy civil service number in a department with overseas perks, all the while using layers of beaurocracy to prevent the Defence forces doing anything to change the comfort of their effortless job. With people like this screening his visitors, it is surprising that anyone succeeds in meeting the general staff at all.
    The last year or so has seen the CoS focus his energy on seeking promotion (unsuccessfully, inevitably) out of the DF to a european military post away from the Department of Defence and its mandarins, and to be fair who would blame him. Unfortunately during this time the DF has reached a peak crisis in Morale , due to poor pay and conditions. His job should have been to alert the Minister to this crisis, but the minister has deputised all his duties to the Minister for state, who unfortunately has been the worst for some time. His only interest has been photo ops. He dragged ship, crew and family to Rosslare on a weekend for a medal parade so (a) he wouldnt have to leave his constituency and (b) the event would make him look good in local news to his voters in Wexico, who otherwise would have no awareness of the Defence Forces, other than the Fishing families of Kilmore Quay who believe the Purpose of the Navy is to prevent them from going about their poaching business. His responses to PQs have displayed a complete ignorance of his portfolio.

    So with the perfect storm of Absent minister, Incompetent Minister for state and disillusioned CoS, what is the solution?
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    what is the solution?
    well its not posting unhelpful rants that belong elsewhere. Open another thread somewhere if you want a rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    Some interesting numbers on Days Sick Leave taken RDF do not really figure in these numbers http://oireachtasdebates.oireachtas....nt#WRNNNN02925
    More figures from 2006

    http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...Defence-Forces

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    Sick rates in civil service 2012

    Overall, an average of 4 per cent of working days in the public sector were lost due to sick leave in 2012.

    The rate is highest in the Garda (5.3 per cent), the health sector (4.8 per cent), local government (4.7 per cent) and the Civil Service (4.6 per cent).

    Lowest rates

    It is lowest among the Defence Forces (2.6 per cent) and education (3 per cent for primary teachers and 3.4 per cent for secondary teachers).

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...89605?mode=amp

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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    well its not posting unhelpful rants that belong elsewhere. Open another thread somewhere if you want a rant.
    Is not the purpose of this whole site to rant?
    I was replying directly to post 3082. What is your problem with that?
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    Do not discuss moderation on the thread. NO further warnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Sick rates in civil service 2012

    Overall, an average of 4 per cent of working days in the public sector were lost due to sick leave in 2012.

    The rate is highest in the Garda (5.3 per cent), the health sector (4.8 per cent), local government (4.7 per cent) and the Civil Service (4.6 per cent).

    Lowest rates

    It is lowest among the Defence Forces (2.6 per cent) and education (3 per cent for primary teachers and 3.4 per cent for secondary teachers).

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...89605?mode=amp
    Based on 9000 personnel all working 365 days a year, the figure for 2016 has come down to 2.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    As far back as 2006, I was hearing of units that had a kitty to which they all contributed weekly. This was to cover fines for those who were inevitably charged with being AWOL, such was the frequency.

    As for the criticism of the CoS, none are more disappointed than those in Haulbowline who supported his career progression all the while defending him from opposition by those wearing green uniforms. However they all found that as soon he moved to Newbridge, those who supported him were very quickly forgotten. (I count myself among that number). However much of his failure at appointment comes from the structure of HQ. As FOCNS he was immersed in all activities of the NS, and surrounded himself with some of the best staff the NS had to offer. However he is last in the door at DFHQ. He is detached geographically and physically from the defence forces. His staff, for the most part have served their career at DFHQ and have no interest in changing the status quo . Combine the layers of civil servants whose only interest is on working up their flexi and completing the Times crossword before tea break, hoping to return to find an email offerring them promotion to a more cushy civil service number in a department with overseas perks, all the while using layers of beaurocracy to prevent the Defence forces doing anything to change the comfort of their effortless job. With people like this screening his visitors, it is surprising that anyone succeeds in meeting the general staff at all.
    The last year or so has seen the CoS focus his energy on seeking promotion (unsuccessfully, inevitably) out of the DF to a european military post away from the Department of Defence and its mandarins, and to be fair who would blame him. Unfortunately during this time the DF has reached a peak crisis in Morale , due to poor pay and conditions. His job should have been to alert the Minister to this crisis, but the minister has deputised all his duties to the Minister for state, who unfortunately has been the worst for some time. His only interest has been photo ops. He dragged ship, crew and family to Rosslare on a weekend for a medal parade so (a) he wouldnt have to leave his constituency and (b) the event would make him look good in local news to his voters in Wexico, who otherwise would have no awareness of the Defence Forces, other than the Fishing families of Kilmore Quay who believe the Purpose of the Navy is to prevent them from going about their poaching business. His responses to PQs have displayed a complete ignorance of his portfolio.

    So with the perfect storm of Absent minister, Incompetent Minister for state and disillusioned CoS, what is the solution?
    The current COS inherited many of these issues, some of which should have been tackled in the early 00s (if not decades before).

    He has a good vision of transforming the DF in a number of areas. The issue is the people are already over worked which is making the working conditions worse.

    Not sure what percentage of staff have turned over in DoD which has a direct impact on the policy work. Not necessarily a bad thing btw.

    I completely agree with regard to the MoS but he can only go on the information provided by DoD and DFHQ.
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    This thread now stands on its own two feet. Please remain on-topic, i.e discussion of Sick Leave. Merits of the COS and the Minister/Minister of State are a far wider topic and one everyone has their own opinion on - so if you want to talk about them, do it in another thread or we will be on a hamster wheel that goes everywhere

    One question I would have is why PDFORRA and RACO have not kicked up over these numbers
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    One question I would have is why PDFORRA and RACO have not kicked up over these numbers
    And risk calling attention to the massive cost associated with their members very generous sick leave allowances?

    A reduction is pay for long term sick leave, or other means of making is less favourable to be a drain on the organisation would sort a lot of the malingerers (non-reckonable service for pension, medals, promotion after X number of days) The genuine ones would be grateful of what assistance they get if it means they get better. More access to MOs for medical boards would sort a lot of it too.

    Do not get me wrong the overwhelming majority are genuine, very genuine! However, every single serving member of the PDF could list off a line of wasters that everyone knows goes sick when it suits them, at the drop of a hat, with no regard for those that have to pick up the slack when they do.

    Personally, I think you should lose MSA every day that you are medically ineffective.

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    More access to MOs for medical boards would sort a lot of it too
    This is something the reserve could easily provide if asked to do so within a 12 month period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trellheim View Post
    This is something the reserve could easily provide if asked to do so within a 12 month period.
    There are 2 x PDF line officers that are registered with the GMC that DMB will not accept into the medical corps.

    There was a competition held this year for MOs and one of the line officers was one of the candidates. The board selected randomers rather than someone with 15 years experience

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    Is the current system fit for purpose?
    Someone currently serving can correct me I hope, but does each member of the DF reporting sick still have to do so by attending to a medic in person?
    Is there still an organised daily "sick parade" at the MAP?
    I remember in the 80s and 90s there being large queues outside the door of the hospital in Collins Barracks on a monday morning. If this is the case is it an efficient system? If someone fails to attend for duties how long before they can report sick? What is the difference between Certified and Uncertified in this case?
    Is the system of charging people for being absent practical in the modern work environment? Is there a better means to correct this behaviour if repeated?

    The rest of the PS requires the person reporting sick to do so to their manager by phone before 10am (ruling out the duvet days or the alarm clock failure). Then you either have 2 days to get better and return to work or attend a doctor to get a medical cert. You get the medical cert ASAP after reporting sick and post it to your manager. Without a medical cert you return to work "self certified". Frequent uncertified sick absences will culminate in a meeting, followed by warnings, verbal and written. Continued absences (certified or uncertified) will result in a visit to the CMO, who will determine if you are fit to remain in the job or not.
    It is a good system that has for the most part clamped down on the malingerers. But you require a clear system without ambiguity.
    Most I know in the system now take a days leave for an uncertified sick day. Less complicated.
    My wife's private sector employer recently contracted out all absence management to an external company. They permit 3 uncertified sick days per year. No exceptions.
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    My private sector employer offers no sick leave. I was told when i started 8 years ago that 'we dont do sick'. 20 days paid leave and thats it. 100 people employed and nobody really cribs.

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    There is a rake of empty RDF MO appointments is my point.

    Certified Sick Leave can not be denied legally as far as I know ( Ireland ) but there are rules about how long including the types of procedures as meeting the company doctor as described above and claiming the social back . USL can beyond 2 or 3 a year but may be wrong on that.
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    And risk calling attention to the massive cost associated with their members very generous sick leave allowances?
    Please don't be THAT guy.Enough PDFORRA bashers on Facebook.Usually people who are Malcontents ,don't know how representation works and believe everything the barrack room lawyer spouts.PDFORRA fought over many years to bring the enlisted into line with the Officers in terms of USL's etc so please don't unfairly attack those of which who have stuck their necks out for their comrades benefit.

    A reduction is pay for long term sick leave, or other means of making is less favourable to be a drain on the organisation would sort a lot of the malingerers (non-reckonable service for pension, medals, promotion after X number of days) The genuine ones would be grateful of what assistance they get if it means they get better. More access to MOs for medical boards would sort a lot of it too.
    That has already been signed up to as part of the Haddington road agreement which if you do your homework you will see was two pay agreements back.We are now on Lansdowne road agreement 2(LRA2).Sick leave brought into line with the wider public sector.3 Months full pay.3 Months half pay and then you go on the "rehabilitation rate".No more people staying out on long term full pay for years whilst awaiting a board.
    Do not get me wrong the overwhelming majority are genuine, very genuine! However, every single serving member of the PDF could list off a line of wasters that everyone knows goes sick when it suits them, at the drop of a hat, with no regard for those that have to pick up the slack when they do.
    100% agree.We all know the wasters.The problem we face now is that the good reliable people are so sick and tired of taking up the slack that they are not playing ball anymore. We need to win these people back not punish them as they are feeling used and abused despite being loyal and reliable for may years when other were not.These people are the backbone of the DF and the backbone is very very bent at the moment.

    Personally, I think you should lose MSA every day that you are medically ineffective.
    No.Go the opposite.INCREASE MSA or even just duty allowances.Make deploying as an exercise troop or Mobile security for and exercise financially rewarding. Carrot before stick.We are well past stick at this time.

    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Is the current system fit for purpose?
    Someone currently serving can correct me I hope, but does each member of the DF reporting sick still have to do so by attending to a medic in person?
    Is there still an organised daily "sick parade" at the MAP?
    I remember in the 80s and 90s there being large queues outside the door of the hospital in Collins Barracks on a monday morning. If this is the case is it an efficient system? If someone fails to attend for duties how long before they can report sick? What is the difference between Certified and Uncertified in this case?
    Is the system of charging people for being absent practical in the modern work environment? Is there a better means to correct this behaviour if repeated?

    The rest of the PS requires the person reporting sick to do so to their manager by phone before 10am (ruling out the duvet days or the alarm clock failure). Then you either have 2 days to get better and return to work or attend a doctor to get a medical cert. You get the medical cert ASAP after reporting sick and post it to your manager. Without a medical cert you return to work "self certified". Frequent uncertified sick absences will culminate in a meeting, followed by warnings, verbal and written. Continued absences (certified or uncertified) will result in a visit to the CMO, who will determine if you are fit to remain in the job or not.
    It is a good system that has for the most part clamped down on the malingerers. But you require a clear system without ambiguity.
    Most I know in the system now take a days leave for an uncertified sick day. Less complicated.
    My wife's private sector employer recently contracted out all absence management to an external company. They permit 3 uncertified sick days per year. No exceptions.
    The current DF system is fit for purpose but is open to abuse like everywhere else.What you have described above is almost exactly the systems that are still in place for the PDF.Points to note.

    1/ Sick at home(SAH).Only accepted if you live more than 6.2 Km from a Military Post with a doctor.72 Hours to submit a cert.Must say unfit to travel.Must see a Military doctor after 72 Hrs.C.O is Sick leave granting authority.Cert goes to M.O who decides if he agrees or disagrees with the findings.he reports to C.O.If M.O agrees the C.O MUST grant the sick leave.If M.O disagrees than the submitter is considered absent from the time they were supposed to present for work.

    2/ USL. Max of 7 in a 12 Months period. Cannot take more than 2 in a row.Must present to Military doctor after that. Take anymore than five and you are paraded by Coy OC and may be issued a 667B. USL cannot be taken when previously rostered for any duty or detail.

    3/ Most units use the timeline of between 0900-0930 to report for sick parade or call in a USL.After that you will be rang.No reponse you are absnt and name goes to the gate.

    4/ You can receive Sick leave(greater than 72 Hrs) or Excused duty(ED. Less than 72hrs) from the contract doctors at sick parade but if the CO believes you are monging(going sick off a detail) it he can order you to appear before the MO for review.Double edged sword as the MO might not cancel the sick leave and might actually extend it!! BMO can overrule that on a second review but it rarely happens.

    5/ Consistent going flat off of details will see you on front of the BMO and may see you medically downgraded which has implications for your career and employment.

    Now having said all that.The system is designed to catch the consistent malingerers "in the long grass". It also protects the genuine people. From one MO's mouth a "We are not interested in hammering the good lads,we know who the dossers are".
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    The USL limits were halved in the PS in the last round of "efficiencies". Nobody genuine had anything to fear from it. It also did away with the public impression that each PS worker was "entitled" to an additional 5 days "sick leave" per year along with annual leave.
    In an organisation such as the DF, with fitness being such a priority, minor illness necessitating USL should be minimal. You should have less flus, colds and back ache absences than the average office worker. Injuries picked up during training necessitating sick leave should be certified.
    The only downside with this is that you have people who instead of going USL now turn up for work and go hide for the duration.
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    That has already been signed up to as part of the Haddington road agreement which if you do your homework you will see was two pay agreements back.We are now on Lansdowne road agreement 2(LRA2).Sick leave brought into line with the wider public sector.3 Months full pay.3 Months half pay and then you go on the "rehabilitation rate".No more people staying out on long term full pay for years whilst awaiting a board.
    It was never introduced for the DF due to the nature of the job

    http://pdforra.ie/news/?p=1014
    Exclusion of Members of the Permanent Defence Forces: The new regulations will not apply to members of the Permanent Defence Force but the broad principles of the new arrangements will.
    I think that the duty pay is a misnomer really. Even paying someone double the existing rates, is still only an extra €20 for a 24hr duty. Rewarding pers for exercises would be a good step but the DOD already view that as the purpose of the MSA.

    The financial impact of the paycuts, tax increases, public sector levies, increased work loads after the reorg, slashing of allowances etc etc etc all make the buck for the bang hard to justify. Take home pay was cut so far that it would be completely politically unjustifiable to get us back to a pay level where people are adequately rewarded.

    I see your poijts about carrot & stick but as an organisation we are very poor at properly using either. I still say the only way to discourage ineffectivity is to make it financial.

    The non financial matters that ordinarily fall into the remit of DCOS Sp through the vsrious Admin Instrs are now subject to increased oversight from DOD.

    The current C&A system has long been identified as unworkable and in need of overhauling.

    BTW a doctor can only recommend a max of 7 days SL. More than 7 days requires an MO. This is yet another example of rules that the DF choses to ignore because of the challenges the current CMU creates

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    [QUOTE=Fantasia;456705]It was never introduced for the DF due to the nature of the job

    http://pdforra.ie/news/?p=1014
    It has been signed up to and under LRA2 which we just voted to accept it must be implemented. I am a PDFORRA rep so please don't tell me what I know and don't know.

    Rewarding pers for exercises would be a good step but the DOD already view that as the purpose of the MSA.
    MSA is NOT for that purpose.Nor for any other purpose other than to remunerate personnel for the fact that we are available for military SERVICE 365/24-7.As such it is more an anti-social hours allowance if you get a 0330 call out.A common misconception such as MSA being for medal mounting etc.Complete BS.

    I see your poijts about carrot & stick but as an organisation we are very poor at properly using either. I still say the only way to discourage ineffectivity is to make it financial.
    With that attitude you are either DoD,DPER or an Officer. Nice outside the box thinking.Punish everyone regardless of circumstances.Well done Sir.

    The current C&A system has long been identified as unworkable and in need of overhauling.
    Review board sitting this year with Independent chair. All sides agree it is not fit for purpose.

    BTW a doctor can only recommend a max of 7 days SL. More than 7 days requires an MO. This is yet another example of rules that the DF choses to ignore because of the challenges the current CMU creates.
    Incorrect.A civvy doctor can recommend as much SL as they want.It is up to the C.O, on the advice of the M.O, to accept this or not.I have seen certs being sent in for 3 weeks plus.MO accepted them and upheld them.I have also seen lads being brought in for review after going flat off of details via sick parade with contract Doctor. M.O upheld AND increased the SL awarded.
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