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  • #61
    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The development of all Naval training has seen aspects of all mil courses assimilated as part of a cert or degree course. In this case the NWC is the final part of been awarded a Hons Level 8 Degree. The answer is more or less at the same time.
    So in that case, it is 2 year cadetship (including 1st year of Level 7)
    Commissioned as Ensign (S/Lt if already a graduate)
    Complete 2nd year of Level 7
    Complete the Level 8 (1 year)
    Complete the 6 month NWC course

    So they hold the NWC after 2-3 year commissioned service

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    • #62
      about right except I think the award of Level 8 comes with completion of the NWC.

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      • #63
        What they can only do as S/Lts?
        Complete watchkeepers... no Ensign watch keepers

        So they hold the NWC after 2-3 year commissioned service
        By that logic they can only perform their basic function 3 years after being commissioned as opposed to 18 months in the past.......
        Last edited by hptmurphy; 27 January 2018, 22:51.
        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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        • #64
          By that logic they can only perform their basic function 3 years after being commissioned as opposed to 18 months in the past.......
          And around the time their SSCr runs out

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          • #65
            Originally posted by DeV View Post
            And around the time their SSCr runs out
            That is a pretty recent introduction. It was not always the case.
            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
              That is a pretty recent introduction. It was not always the case.
              No it hasn’t (since at least 2011)

              But we are discussing the critical lack of NS junior officers (plus JNCOs and ratings) now and under the current system.

              Don’t get it wrong it seems like the SSC could be part of the problem. It would appear that the NS gets zero (guaranteed) return for 4+ training

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              • #67
                Originally posted by DeV View Post
                No it hasn’t (since at least 2011)

                But we are discussing the critical lack of NS junior officers (plus JNCOs and ratings) now and under the current system.

                Don’t get it wrong it seems like the SSC could be part of the problem. It would appear that the NS gets zero (guaranteed) return for 4+ training
                When the alternative is an unqualified officer, no use for anything except perhaps some minor admin post, and a position that would be better held by an experienced SNCO.
                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                • #68
                  I mean that if the training has to continue as is the SSC would be better of being 8-10 years as currently once they are qualified they can leave

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                  • #69
                    Why would training need to continue? They either make the grade or not.
                    For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                      Why would training need to continue? They either make the grade or not.
                      Need to continue as is (see 61)

                      It takes 4 years to get someone to the stage where they have a NWC and then they can leave
                      Last edited by DeV; 28 January 2018, 20:16.

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                      • #71
                        Short service commission for anything other than direct entries or qualified watch keepers is ridiculous!
                        Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                        • #72
                          Bringing a cadet to the stage they are even at a level they can sit their Class 3 exam is somewhere the state has already expended a huge sum on their training. To retain them after they have not achieved is wasteful and would have been flagged by NMCI more than 12 months before.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                            Short service commission for anything other than direct entries or qualified watch keepers is ridiculous!
                            In all Naval services that use Short Service Commissions, the candidates come in qualified as a Watchkeeper or as a Certified Marine Engineer. The idea was buy expertise and fortify it with sufficient Naval training so that he/she could become a useful Naval Officer.
                            Equally officers of these types could be attracted from shipping companies as part of Naval Reserve by giving them 6 months intensive training on shore and at sea. They would then return to their companies and be available by signed agreement to return to duty on call-up protocol.
                            Many more serving NCO's and Ratings should be put into a commissioning stream and be given the necessary skills to succeed to all levels.
                            The degree education introduction for YO's had to delay useful use of officers, as obtaining the degree had to be successfully concluded. There is no point at this time unpicking an accepted/required Modus Operandi.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                              Short service commission for anything other than direct entries or qualified watch keepers is ridiculous!
                              For the NS absolutely (unless they start filling admin and logs posts in the non traditional way but then your eating into the jobs for the shore rotation).

                              Originally posted by na grohmití View Post
                              Bringing a cadet to the stage they are even at a level they can sit their Class 3 exam is somewhere the state has already expended a huge sum on their training. To retain them after they have not achieved is wasteful and would have been flagged by NMCI more than 12 months before.
                              I think you could be taking me up the wrong way.

                              My point is that the OUT who passes everything and receives his NWC is under no contractual obligation to stay in the NS on successful completion (because the SSC finishes more or less around the same time as the NWC Cse).


                              Of course it means it is easier to get rid of people as well.

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                              • #75
                                My understanding is, and I am open to correction, is that the ssc lapses before completion of time as OUT. If you make the grade, you sign a new commitment to x years. If not, byeee.
                                For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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