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    Bunker? Near halfway in cork

    I drive past this twice a day and have been wondering is it a bunker or some agricultural structure? Opinions? Link to street view of it hopefully works.

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    https://goo.gl/maps/M5TKi699XKk
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    Looks similar to point defence concrete structures (WW2) seen in England - mostly controlling major routes or potential coastal landing points.

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    I have often wondered the exact same thing. It does control all approaches from what was the main road to west cork from the city. Not far either from the Ballinhassig rail tunnel, another pinch point to west cork.
    It does not appear on the 1913 OSI maps, so it is possibly a product of the Emergency.
    There was a similar one on Fota Island, covering approaches from Cobh, it is paired with a similar (if damp) nox on the Belvelly side.
    https://goo.gl/maps/ymosFew61Gn
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    Main road to west Cork there was a river bridge there

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    There are dozens of these Emergency era pillboxes still surviving around the country.
    I've seen several around the Curragh, Gormanston and along the river Boyne over the years.
    The Boyne and Blackwater were the 'Main Lines of Resistance' had the British invaded during WW2.

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    Isnt there a thread on these bunkers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhodes View Post
    There are dozens of these Emergency era pillboxes still surviving around the country.
    I've seen several around the Curragh, Gormanston and along the river Boyne over the years.
    The Boyne and Blackwater were the 'Main Lines of Resistance' had the British invaded during WW2.



    But would have been useless had the Nazis invaded I presume ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by terrier View Post
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    But would have been useless had the Nazis invaded I presume ?
    Blackwater is in the South so probably the most likely Nazi route as well

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    Blackwater would be one of the deepest rivers an invader would have to cross if they had invaded from Cork Harbour, as was expected.
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    Theres one lying on its side on the beach at Rosnowlagh in donegal

    Theres also one over the rail line on the bridge at gormanston camp that leads down to the ranges.
    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.65036...7i13312!8i6656

    Few more around drogheda etc
    This is on the Slane Road out of drogheda and overlooks the Boyne river as well as covering the road.
    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.71955...7i13312!8i6656
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    There is another one near Drogheda along the R167 heading out towsrds the coast along the Boyne (Louth side), after the cement factory, before Baltray. It’s at a road junction.
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    "Theres also one over the rail line on the bridge at gormanston camp that leads down to the ranges.
    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.65036...7i13312!8i6656"

    Usually, the bunker is placed on the side where the attack is expected to come from. For the Gormanston bunker, it is on the camp side of the bridge. Were they expecting an attack coming from the camp towards the ranges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Blackwater would be one of the deepest rivers an invader would have to cross if they had invaded from Cork Harbour, as was expected.
    The German plan, I believe, was to start in Dungarvin.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oper...reen_(Ireland)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
    "Theres also one over the rail line on the bridge at gormanston camp that leads down to the ranges.
    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.65036...7i13312!8i6656"

    Usually, the bunker is placed on the side where the attack is expected to come from. For the Gormanston bunker, it is on the camp side of the bridge. Were they expecting an attack coming from the camp towards the ranges?
    On most airfields in WWII the bunkers were sited to bring fire down on the airfield itself in the event of glider/paratrooper attack. You see the same siting on many disused UK airfields.
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    Also that defensive line was orientated to defend from an attack from NI

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    I have one of these structures in my house , I call it Da Rugby Bunker .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    The German plan, I believe, was to start in Dungarvin.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oper...reen_(Ireland)
    That stretch of Coast highlighted would have been a very poor choice. Has to be remember that the landing craft LCIs, LCVPs and LSLs weren't available and the Germans were dependent on functioning ports to land and disembark equipment.

    Cork was too heavily defended and Waterford too far upstream with the estuary overlooked and a fort at Duncannon on the estuary, New Ross the same problem and Wexford too shallow.

    Dungarvan itself again too shallow , Youghal had possibilities but could very easily by blowing the bridge on the Waterford border. The employment of Paratroopers to secure any port was subject to them making it there in the first place....under the eyes of the RAF.

    Yeah we were pretty safe in hindsight.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    The German plan, I believe, was to start in Dungarvin.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oper...reen_(Ireland)
    If the Germans had won the war by landing on the East coast of Ireland, would they have produced a movie called "Saving Private Reinhardt"? Filmed in Normandy because it is an exact replica of the original landing site in Ballinesker Beach, Curracloe Strand, County Wexford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
    If the Germans had won the war by landing on the East coast of Ireland, would they have produced a movie called "Saving Private Reinhardt"? Filmed in Normandy because it is an exact replica of the original landing site in Ballinesker Beach, Curracloe Strand, County Wexford.
    With scenes of the ramps dropping into the surf and scores of men immediately dying under a hail of potato gunfire and turnip catapults fired from the cliffs no doubt!
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    But what would they do for extras?
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Don't the French have an FCA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pegasus View Post
    If the Germans had won the war by landing on the East coast of Ireland, would they have produced a movie called "Saving Private Reinhardt"? Filmed in Normandy because it is an exact replica of the original landing site in Ballinesker Beach, Curracloe Strand, County Wexford.
    If you have ever visited Normandy especially Omaha beach you'll realise that its not an exact replica other than it has sand and water.

    However if you were to launch an amphibious operation against Ireland using the equipment available in 1944 it is ideal.

    Germans used a differnt concept of ops , so they would have needed to occupy a working port.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Well if the Germans had invaded I hope they would have brought their own maps , imagine them asking some of the locals for directions and getting several different opinions as to the best way to Athlone . Apperantly the Romans did land on our shores and the Legions are still wondering around from the directions they first got from the locals .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laners View Post
    Well if the Germans had invaded I hope they would have brought their own maps , imagine them asking some of the locals for directions and getting several different opinions as to the best way to Athlone . Apperantly the Romans did land on our shores and the Legions are still wondering around from the directions they first got from the locals .
    Well, they did land in Loughshiny...
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    But what would they do for extras?
    Refugees from Calais.
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    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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