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  • #61
    Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
    Don't remember hearing of any TBH. There are 2 x BSM in DFHQ. 1 in SPB and 1 in J1 so they are in positions they can influence.
    No. I am talking about creating an appointment to be the Senior Sgt major/Warrant officer in the DF.Top dog and the CoS's eyes,ears and right hand man.
    I know it has been proposed before .The idea even placed high in the CoS's Innovation awards this year.
    Look at WO1 Houghton in the UK as an Example.
    We don't even need to create a new vacancy. Get rid of the BSM's vacancy in the Glen(do we really need a BSM in a training camp??Kilworth does fine without one) once that incumbent retires and move the vacancy to DFHQ with a new title and status.
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by apod View Post
      No. I am talking about creating an appointment to be the Senior Sgt major/Warrant officer in the DF.Top dog and the CoS's eyes,ears and right hand man.
      I know it has been proposed before .The idea even placed high in the CoS's Innovation awards this year.
      Look at WO1 Houghton in the UK as an Example.
      We don't even need to create a new vacancy. Get rid of the BSM's vacancy in the Glen(do we really need a BSM in a training camp??Kilworth does fine without one) once that incumbent retires and move the vacancy to DFHQ with a new title and status.
      There are changes being proposed to the organisation. We are hamstrung by ECF at the moment but the acknowledgement is there that the current set up is wrong.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
        There are changes being proposed to the organisation. We are hamstrung by ECF at the moment but the acknowledgement is there that the current set up is wrong.
        Cool. Sounds promising.
        Comms are key though.Get the message out.Bring back the monthly Connect and have actual news in it as opposed to stupid posters.
        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by apod View Post
          I just finished reading the Report of the PSPC 2017.The Defence sector part referenced the DoD/DPER submissions along with RACo. No mention of PDFORRAs.
          In fairness, maybe RACO did a better job outlining the issues or maybe PSPC picked the RACO because DF starts to get half decent at Comdt level.

          The thing about PDFORRA is they aren’t there for the good of the DF, neither is RACO. They are there for the good (allegedly at times IMHO).

          Absolutely there is an argument that what’s good for the soldier is good for the DF but not always.

          Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
          The fact of the matter is that a 3 star can be trained in 6 months. It takes 6 years to train a marine engineer, 4 years to train an ordnance officer, 4 years to train a pilot. The facts of the matter are that it does take longer to train the people that were listed in that article than it takes to train a line Pte.
          not forgetting Tech ptes

          Originally posted by apod View Post
          .
          The younger lads have a high proportion of our Mowag crews(most with multiple trips done with the cars) within their cohort....... to inexperienced crews
          say again?

          Bang on Sir.I have been in uniform since I was six...ahem..seventeen. I see the way the organisation is being ran into the ground and it is driving me nuts. I hate the way that in order for me to be able to vent like this to an Officer I have to post anonymously on an internet forum. I hate the way everybody bites their tongue at the General staffs "Town halls" because they are afraid to end up on the CO's mat if the say what they really feel and that the G.S go away thinking everything is hunky dory because of that.
          i was at one. My BQ stood up and asked serious deep questions of the COS, they were answered IMHO honestly.



          Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
          APOD, you keep coming across as a bitter individual trying to push an us versus them agenda.

          I can honestly tell you, every single individual I have ever discussed the matter of retention with from COS level, through the hierarchy all the way down to junior NCO have been keen to highlight the plight of the Pte soldier.

          That being said, it is much easier to replace a line Pte than it is a marine Engr or a pilot or an ordnance officer so if the organisation puts more priority on those appointments then I support that decision. Prioritisation is a requirement of leadership
          +1

          Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
          The DF needs experienced Ptes and Cpls for roles too. A 21 year old is a waste in the orderly room or stores.

          The delay in promoting Ptes to Cpl are causing problems in units. I would introduce a rank of L/Cpl or similar for those with the cse done but waiting for a vacancy. It should attract a small pay rise, say 50% of the difference between Pte and Cpl, be restricted to in barrack duties and Sec 2i/c on exercises but otherwise be treated as an NCO
          Why is the delay?
          Is it waiting on courses to be completed or waiting for the admin?

          Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
          iSo its not surprising the lack of 'leadership' given how career oriented individuals become and because their progression depends on how they do rather than there mens welfare they are never going to be advocates for the rights of the enlisted.

          So we end up with PDFORRA and the requirement for access to the courts.

          To sum up I suppose its not going to change until the persons at the top have walked in the shoes of those at the bottom, but not to try would be disengenous to those who will follow.
          The thing is that not all leaders will say what was pushed up the line and what was said (standing up for the chain of command).

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          • #65
            Originally posted by apod View Post
            No. I am talking about creating an appointment to be the Senior Sgt major/Warrant officer in the DF.Top dog and the CoS's eyes,ears and right hand man.
            I know it has been proposed before .The idea even placed high in the CoS's Innovation awards this year.
            Look at WO1 Houghton in the UK as an Example.
            We don't even need to create a new vacancy. Get rid of the BSM's vacancy in the Glen(do we really need a BSM in a training camp??Kilworth does fine without one) once that incumbent retires and move the vacancy to DFHQ with a new title and status.
            But don’t forget every member of the DF is a leader

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            • #66
              No BS

              My sub-unit commander (due to my appointment he is above Comdt) asked me (a lowly RDF JNCO) personally what should the DF senior staff do. Came completely out of the blue and it was one to one.

              My answer - honesty and communication

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              • #67
                The thing about PDFORRA is they aren’t there for the good of the DF, neither is RACO. They are there for the good (allegedly at times IMHO).
                The good of who??

                Absolutely there is an argument that what’s good for the soldier is good for the DF but not always.
                I dunno.Morale is a force multiplier.
                say again?
                Sorry I thought I was clear. The younger(compared to blokes with 31 done) lads who will retire next year after completing 21 years have a high proportion of specialists within that group.Specialists that take years to train up.The first of the upgraded Mowags are coming on stream soon and every Infantry Mowag crewman will need to be upskilled to crew them IOT to serve in those appointments overseas.Our experienced lads will be gone and newly qualified people with feck all time behind the wheel will be asked to step up. Not exactly ideal.

                i was at one. My BQ stood up and asked serious deep questions of the COS, they were answered IMHO honestly.
                Been at a few myself.SNCO's will spark up.They are going no higher usually and have little to loose also they are more comfortable speaking to senior officers. Young Pte's will keep shtum as the CO and BSM are at the back of the room listening and woe betide anyone who embarrases them. I would love to see a town hall where the Generals kick all the Officers and SNCO's out of the room and then sit there and listen.No speeches.Just listen.
                Perhaps have a separate town hall for the the higher ups so they don't feel left out??
                "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by apod View Post
                  No. I am talking about creating an appointment to be the Senior Sgt major/Warrant officer in the DF.Top dog and the CoS's eyes,ears and right hand man... Look at WO1 Houghton in the UK as an Example...
                  while the ASM concept has been an undoubted success, and i'd unhesitatingly reccomend others follow it, its aims and intention is something that fits within the Officer Corps ethos in the BA - to a great extent he pushes at an open door, he certainly has greater granularity than CGS or the average 1*, but he doesn't have to swim against the tide.

                  if the culture and ethos within the Officer Corps in the DF is different then - unless he'll be regularly interviewed by your version of the defence select committee - he's going to be throwing sand in the sea.

                  i've said it before and i'll say it again - journalists are your friends, you need to develop a much healthier disregard for the rules regarding off the record briefings...

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by apod View Post
                    The good of who??
                    sorry left out a few words

                    The good of their members (allegedly at time IMHO, definitely not all at the same time)

                    That at times isn’t the same as the needs of the organisation


                    I dunno.Morale is a force multiplier.
                    definitely

                    Sorry I thought I was clear. The younger(compared to blokes with 31 done) lads who will retire next year after completing 21 years have a high proportion of specialists within that group.Specialists that take years to train up.The first of the upgraded Mowags are coming on stream soon and every Infantry Mowag crewman will need to be upskilled to crew them IOT to serve in those appointments overseas.Our experienced lads will be gone and newly qualified people with feck all time behind the wheel will be asked to step up. Not exactly ideal.
                    thanks agreed


                    Been at a few myself.SNCO's will spark up.They are going no higher usually and have little to loose also they are more comfortable speaking to senior officers. Young Pte's will keep shtum as the CO and BSM are at the back of the room listening and woe betide anyone who embarrases them. I would love to see a town hall where the Generals kick all the Officers and SNCO's out of the room and then sit there and listen.No speeches.Just listen.
                    Perhaps have a separate town hall for the the higher ups so they don't feel left out??
                    agreed that’s what I’d do

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                      if the culture and ethos within the Officer Corps in the DF is different then - unless he'll be regularly interviewed by your version of the defence select committee - he's going to be throwing sand in the sea.

                      i've said it before and i'll say it again - journalists are your friends, you need to develop a much healthier disregard for the rules regarding off the record briefings...
                      The military rarely (if ever) appear in front of the Oireachtas Defence Committee.

                      Journalists are your friends when it suits them

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                      • #71
                        Ropebag thats an interesting point , that side of the BA is a much bigger part and so is the media off the record side. This is something historically we are piss poor at I follow ASM and Dan Dailey on twitter they are certainly out and about quite a bit !
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          The military rarely (if ever) appear in front of the Oireachtas Defence Committee....
                          why not?

                          eberyone else manages it.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                            why not?

                            eberyone else manages it.
                            The DOD control the majority of the budgets. There are budgets devolved to DF but again with oversight by DOD. If something goes tits up it is the Sec Gen that appears as it is his Dept

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Fantasia View Post
                              The DOD control the majority of the budgets. There are budgets devolved to DF but again with oversight by DOD. If something goes tits up it is the Sec Gen that appears as it is his Dept
                              thats about budget holding, not retention, or morale, or readiness, or equipment levels or natures, or doctrine, or any of the other things that a Commitee might be interested in.

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                              • #75
                                The DOD control the majority of the budgets. There are budgets devolved to DF but again with oversight by DOD. If something goes tits up it is the Sec Gen that appears as it is his Dept
                                You are referring to the budget Defence committee meetings, which are required annually by law, alternatively the PAC committee if Defence matters come up ; I've read nearly every single committee hearing and not all of them are financial related.
                                "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                                "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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