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    Irish army:not in enough wars...

    For those of you not on Twitter, this persons recent observations on the Irish Defence Forces have caused quite a stir. Great to see the general public leaping to the defence of the Defence Forces...




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    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    More from the ordinary people.







    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    One might suggest that we are used as directed by the Government, and it is to them and the Minister for Defence/Taoiseach ( save a tweet ! they are the same person ) that the sentiment should be directed.
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    i would have thought that mary kenny would favour them taking part in peacekeeping, say for example Ugandan discussions.

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    a totally uninformed twat, me thinks!
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    Just going to be devils advocate for a second but she does have a point,but before any of ye get up on your high horse hear me out.

    One of the reasons the vast majority of the Irish people think that the DF is:

    1/ A Force solely of peacekeepers.(They would pass out if they knew the real definition of the role of Infantry for example)
    2/ "Only a Defence Force". Not realising that the "Defence Force" is comprised of three branches the largest of which is the "Army".And an "Army" does what?????
    3/ A waste of money/joke.Take your pick.

    Is because we DON'T fight wars or have had to drive out invaders(recently) like some other nations and over the last thirty odd years the times we have gone " kinetic" can be counted on one hand.

    Other nations have great pride in their Militaries because they see that the Military will fight to protect them and lay down their lives in many cases in doing so. Unfortunately in the eyes of many we can't say the same. Yes I agree that sentiment by the Irish people is wrong but that's the way it is.

    I believe Ms.Kenny was just expressing that viewpoint seeing as she is just another person who despite her education and standing is representative of the vast majority of the Irish people in that she hasn't a clue about what we do or why we are needed.

    Sad but true.
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    Armies have to be blooded every generation in order for the Taxpayer to be reminded what they are there for.

    As the weasels in the Department of Finance find it cheaper to hide behind Britian's skirt, people start thinking about the need to pay for one.

    Air defence being the latest example. Remember also, the Irish people have never experienced a real war.
    It has being brain washed out of the Irish that we fought the likes of WW1, Crimean, and Boer war
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    That said, in another thread we discussed the state of the German military forces. This is a nation used to war, and more importantly used to being occupied by an enemy force, who impacted on their daily lives.
    The only nations who have citizens supporting strong militaries these days are quasi dictatorships, fuelled on jingoism.
    I'm happy not to be in that club.
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    Who the Fcuk is Mary Kenny?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Who the Fcuk is Mary Kenny?
    Mary Kenny is an Irish author, broadcaster, playwright and journalist. She is a frequent columnist for the Irish Independent. She was a founding member of the Irish Women's Liberation Movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    Mary Kenny is an Irish author, broadcaster, playwright and journalist. She is a frequent columnist for the Irish Independent. She was a founding member of the Irish Women's Liberation Movement.
    Sounds like a born leader

    How about a direct entrant commission with an immediate posting to the middle east on peace keeping duties??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Air defence being the latest example. Remember also, the Irish people have never experienced a real war.
    It has being brain washed out of the Irish that we fought the likes of WW1, Crimean, and Boer war
    You're in danger of sounding just like her, you do realise. As well, all three of your examples here were in pursuit of the interests of the British Empire, not for anything worthy that the public (rightfully) would back Irish lives being sacrificed for. The Crimean War was largely ignored, but both the Second Boer War and WWI were actively opposed by a large part of the population.

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    The DF I think should maybe publish the stats on Firing Close etc from the UNIFIL Unit histories

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    Perhaps it's time to dust off the old plan for the invasion and occupation of Iceland?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    Mary Kenny is an Irish author, broadcaster, playwright and journalist. She is a frequent columnist for the Irish Independent. She was a founding member of the Irish Women's Liberation Movement.
    There was me thinking she was an uber warrior or leader of a great military nation.... Irish Women Liberation movements?????..is that like the PLO or MPLA????
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    There was me thinking she was an uber warrior or leader of a great military nation.... Irish Women Liberation movements?????..is that like the PLO or MPLA????
    These'd be more like the ICA (Revolutionary cells) Murph.

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    Mic Drop from the ONE.

    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaithiDub View Post
    You're in danger of sounding just like her, you do realise. As well, all three of your examples here were in pursuit of the interests of the British Empire, not for anything worthy that the public (rightfully) would back Irish lives being sacrificed for. The Crimean War was largely ignored, but both the Second Boer War and WWI were actively opposed by a large part of the population.
    Not saying that the Army press office start looking to start a war with someone. Just stating my opinion why a people are reminded why their army is needed in other counties.

    In David Murphy's book " Ireland and the Crimean War" He states that there were meetings around the country demanding that the government do something about the Russians in the Crimean. And when the government started recruiting the Irish joined in their thousands.
    ( Irish Nun run field hospital in the Crimean had a better survival rate then what'sherface and was the preferred destination of the wounded)


    No shortage of Irish involvement in the Boer war on the British side . or on the side of Mc'Bride's mate's the white supremacect Dutch land grabbers

    Lots of photos of the great Irish Regiments marching of to the ports with the streets lined with the Irish cheering them on.
    There was no lack of interest in the war in the likes of the Liberties of Dublin where the men joined in the hundreds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    Mary Kenny is an Irish author, broadcaster, playwright and journalist. She is a frequent columnist for the Irish Independent. She was a founding member of the Irish Women's Liberation Movement.
    She resurfaced a number of years ago with a new English lady accent. may have gone to the same "Bate the Irish ou a ya" course Gloria Hunniford went to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    She resurfaced a number of years ago with a new English lady accent. may have gone to the same "Bate the Irish ou a ya" course Gloria Hunniford went to.
    Well in the case of Glorias Port - e - doun accent that was a relief.

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    As a new recruit in the RDF I pay attention to posts like this (Mary Kenny) on Facebook and Twitter. I think people like her are short sighted and don't understand the full value of the Defense Forces to the communities at home and abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Not saying that the Army press office start looking to start a war with someone. Just stating my opinion why a people are reminded why their army is needed in other counties.

    In David Murphy's book " Ireland and the Crimean War" He states that there were meetings around the country demanding that the government do something about the Russians in the Crimean. And when the government started recruiting the Irish joined in their thousands.
    ( Irish Nun run field hospital in the Crimean had a better survival rate then what'sherface and was the preferred destination of the wounded)


    No shortage of Irish involvement in the Boer war on the British side . or on the side of Mc'Bride's mate's the white supremacect Dutch land grabbers

    Lots of photos of the great Irish Regiments marching of to the ports with the streets lined with the Irish cheering them on.
    There was no lack of interest in the war in the likes of the Liberties of Dublin where the men joined in the hundreds.
    You haven't at all addressed the point about the reasons for each of those three, which no right-minded person would call justified (Crimea and WWI were just jockeying between the powers, while the Second Boer War was a grubby colonial expansion in Africa complete with concentration camps where so many Boer civilians died). Crimea itself can claim the dubious honour (pun unintended) of being the origin of that venerable British tradition of awarding Victoria Crosses to cover up military disasters.

    A decade after Crimea the British had a major panic when it was realised that the Fenians were successfully recruiting large proportions of those 'Irish' soldiers. Historians have also written extensively about the very serious British problems recruiting here during the Second Boer War and WWI due to an effective and widespread opposition, as I suspect you well know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaithiDub View Post
    You haven't at all addressed the point about the reasons for each of those three, which no right-minded person would call justified (Crimea and WWI were just jockeying between the powers, while the Second Boer War was a grubby colonial expansion in Africa complete with concentration camps where so many Boer civilians died). Crimea itself can claim the dubious honour (pun unintended) of being the origin of that venerable British tradition of awarding Victoria Crosses to cover up military disasters.

    A decade after Crimea the British had a major panic when it was realised that the Fenians were successfully recruiting large proportions of those 'Irish' soldiers. Historians have also written extensively about the very serious British problems recruiting here during the Second Boer War and WWI due to an effective and widespread opposition, as I suspect you well know.
    What ever the reason good or bad, right or wrong of the wars/campaign. Where ever the British went to fight or occupy, The Great Irish Regiments marched through the streets of Ireland to the ports lined with cheering Irish to join them. Followed not to far behind by our missionaries who with their whites mans religion messed up the conquered people culture.

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    Quite rightly we resisted conscription because London never consulted the Irish people before they started sending the poor off to be slaughtered due to their incompetent Top Brass
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaithiDub View Post
    You haven't at all addressed the point about the reasons for each of those three, which no right-minded person would call justified (Crimea and WWI were just jockeying between the powers, while the Second Boer War was a grubby colonial expansion in Africa complete with concentration camps where so many Boer civilians died). Crimea itself can claim the dubious honour (pun unintended) of being the origin of that venerable British tradition of awarding Victoria Crosses to cover up military disasters.

    A decade after Crimea the British had a major panic when it was realised that the Fenians were successfully recruiting large proportions of those 'Irish' soldiers. Historians have also written extensively about the very serious British problems recruiting here during the Second Boer War and WWI due to an effective and widespread opposition, as I suspect you well know.
    What ever the reason good or bad, right or wrong of the wars/campaign. Where ever the British went to fight or occupy, The Great Irish Regiments marched through the streets of Ireland to the ports lined with cheering Irish to join them. Followed not to far behind by our missionaries who with their whites mans religion messed up the conquered people culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmit� View Post
    For those of you not on Twitter, this persons recent observations on the Irish Defence Forces have caused quite a stir. Great to see the general public leaping to the defence of the Defence Forces...




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    just a thought but as a mother, which would she choose to put in harms way ... Patrick or Ed ??

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