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Hi @MaryKenny4, a chair is waiting for you at ONE (Brú Na Bhfiann) a shelter for Irish Defence Forces veterans. Please come & have a conversation with someone like veteran Seán Keating & find out what it really means to spend your life fighting for peace. #WeFight pic.twitter.com/bshNv1pgwO
— ONE | Fuchsia Appeal (@OneFuchsia) July 2, 2018
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by DaithiDub View PostYou're in danger of sounding just like her, you do realise. As well, all three of your examples here were in pursuit of the interests of the British Empire, not for anything worthy that the public (rightfully) would back Irish lives being sacrificed for. The Crimean War was largely ignored, but both the Second Boer War and WWI were actively opposed by a large part of the population.
In David Murphy's book " Ireland and the Crimean War" He states that there were meetings around the country demanding that the government do something about the Russians in the Crimean. And when the government started recruiting the Irish joined in their thousands.
( Irish Nun run field hospital in the Crimean had a better survival rate then what'sherface and was the preferred destination of the wounded)
No shortage of Irish involvement in the Boer war on the British side . or on the side of Mc'Bride's mate's the white supremacect Dutch land grabbers
Lots of photos of the great Irish Regiments marching of to the ports with the streets lined with the Irish cheering them on.
There was no lack of interest in the war in the likes of the Liberties of Dublin where the men joined in the hundreds.Last edited by sofa; 3 July 2018, 00:16.
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Originally posted by na grohmit� View PostMary Kenny is an Irish author, broadcaster, playwright and journalist. She is a frequent columnist for the Irish Independent. She was a founding member of the Irish Women's Liberation Movement.
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Originally posted by sofa View PostNot saying that the Army press office start looking to start a war with someone. Just stating my opinion why a people are reminded why their army is needed in other counties.
In David Murphy's book " Ireland and the Crimean War" He states that there were meetings around the country demanding that the government do something about the Russians in the Crimean. And when the government started recruiting the Irish joined in their thousands.
( Irish Nun run field hospital in the Crimean had a better survival rate then what'sherface and was the preferred destination of the wounded)
No shortage of Irish involvement in the Boer war on the British side . or on the side of Mc'Bride's mate's the white supremacect Dutch land grabbers
Lots of photos of the great Irish Regiments marching of to the ports with the streets lined with the Irish cheering them on.
There was no lack of interest in the war in the likes of the Liberties of Dublin where the men joined in the hundreds.
A decade after Crimea the British had a major panic when it was realised that the Fenians were successfully recruiting large proportions of those 'Irish' soldiers. Historians have also written extensively about the very serious British problems recruiting here during the Second Boer War and WWI due to an effective and widespread opposition, as I suspect you well know.Last edited by DaithiDub; 13 July 2018, 00:57.
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Originally posted by DaithiDub View PostYou haven't at all addressed the point about the reasons for each of those three, which no right-minded person would call justified (Crimea and WWI were just jockeying between the powers, while the Second Boer War was a grubby colonial expansion in Africa complete with concentration camps where so many Boer civilians died). Crimea itself can claim the dubious honour (pun unintended) of being the origin of that venerable British tradition of awarding Victoria Crosses to cover up military disasters.
A decade after Crimea the British had a major panic when it was realised that the Fenians were successfully recruiting large proportions of those 'Irish' soldiers. Historians have also written extensively about the very serious British problems recruiting here during the Second Boer War and WWI due to an effective and widespread opposition, as I suspect you well know.
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Quite rightly we resisted conscription because London never consulted the Irish people before they started sending the poor off to be slaughtered due to their incompetent Top BrassLast edited by sofa; 13 July 2018, 21:37.
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Originally posted by DaithiDub View PostYou haven't at all addressed the point about the reasons for each of those three, which no right-minded person would call justified (Crimea and WWI were just jockeying between the powers, while the Second Boer War was a grubby colonial expansion in Africa complete with concentration camps where so many Boer civilians died). Crimea itself can claim the dubious honour (pun unintended) of being the origin of that venerable British tradition of awarding Victoria Crosses to cover up military disasters.
A decade after Crimea the British had a major panic when it was realised that the Fenians were successfully recruiting large proportions of those 'Irish' soldiers. Historians have also written extensively about the very serious British problems recruiting here during the Second Boer War and WWI due to an effective and widespread opposition, as I suspect you well know.
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Originally posted by na grohmit� View PostFor those of you not on Twitter, this persons recent observations on the Irish Defence Forces have caused quite a stir. Great to see the general public leaping to the defence of the Defence Forces...
I think it's a bit sad that the Irish Defence Forces never actually do any fighting. Am all in favour of peace-keeping, but shouldn't a soldier sometimes take up arms? Especially since Irishmen have always had such a reputation for being brave in combat.
— Mary Kenny (@MaryKenny4) June 30, 2018
Some of the responses have been epic.
It’s a bit sad that the Dublin Fire Brigade are just standing around a fair bit - shouldn’t we all be constantly setting fire to stuff, to give them something to do ? https://t.co/a73BtL5o5c
— Joe O'Shea (@josefoshea) July 1, 2018
Peacekeepers do take up arms - in order to preserve peace. A noble calling in which Irish soldiers have distinguished themselves for the past 60 years. This to me is a source of pride and not sadness.
— Daniel Mulhall (@DanMulhall) June 30, 2018
My great-granduncle died at Gallipoli, and people like you called it romantic. The most charitable thing I can offer is that there’s something wrong with your moral compass that you think violence is desirable, in itself, over the strenuous, and altruistic, work of peace-keeping
— Andrew Ó Baoill������ (@aobaoill) June 30, 2018
Apparently inspired the sight of our defence forces celebrating #pridedublin you wrote a tweet moaning about the fact that they don’t do more dying and killing.
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Please don’t try pretend this was anything other than homophobia. pic.twitter.com/W1p5GVht5c
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At least she knows that when you are in a hole, stop digging'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html
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