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    Yup.That pretty much sums it up. What Galls me is the same very senior officer who came up with the "single boot concept" purely as a cost saving measure,was the same officer who was quoted as saying "Why do the troops need desert boots in Lebanon there's no sand there?".
    Same Gentleman shortly after ended up as DCO in UNDOF and when he was finishing up his time there was pictured receiving a presentation from the Inf Gp OC,with all ranks present in Black boots,while he himself wore Dessies.

    Do as I say not as I do at it's best.
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
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    Was this the same one in charge of the meterological almost disaster in the Glen about 15 years ago, shortly after the DPMs were introduced?
    This officer stood in his HQ tent commenting on how good his new boots were at keeping out the water while at the same time, others were being brought in with hypothermia having been instructed not to wear OG raingear over "showerproof" DPM, as a storm hit the glen.
    If not him, then how come there are so many at that level?
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    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Nope.Different bloke.Same mentality.
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    If not him, then how come there are so many at that level?
    If not culled at promotion to Commandant they tend to breed and multiply...as does the stupidity of their notions.

    Used to kick in at Commander level in the Navy. A perfectly good Lt. Cdr could go ape shit crazy as soon as the third bar and scambled egg appeared.
    Time for another break I think......

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    This is why we need a DF Sgt Major.To listen to the troops and get in the ear of the Chief and his Deputies.Too many good idea fairies knocking about these days.Look at the debacle over the upgraded DPM's. Tender out in February of last year.Still no sign of them,probably because someone realised they were a disaster, and the guy who came up with the idea is now a civvy and will never wear them!!
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    are the BSMs not giving the feedback?

    Is a major issue the fact that boards don’t have NCOs???

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    I suppose the BSM only gets as far as the OC and the occasional Brig Gen, depending on personalities. Once all the colon-els and above get together nobody cares about the opinion of the troops on the ground.
    It would make sense to have a Senior Sgt Maj at General staff level, as all arms of the UK armed forces have managed to do recently. One OR9 for arm of the DF, answering directly to the CoS?
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    German 2: Private? I am a general!
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    the boot itself will probably be fine, light and has waterproof membrane so should keep feet dry.

    big issue regards practicalness will be how scuffed and worn the fabric becomes and more importantly how the barrack fashion police view this.
    no doubt some BSM, etc. will issue a hair brained order for boots to be polished, not worn outside barracks, not worn on grass, etc, etc. to make sure they stay new out of the box looking for GOCs.

    if the single pair issue is the case it will raise serious issues or higher ups will have to relax about how boots physically look after a while.
    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    This is why we need a DF Sgt Major.To listen to the troops and get in the ear of the Chief and his Deputies.Too many good idea fairies knocking about these days.Look at the debacle over the upgraded DPM's. Tender out in February of last year.Still no sign of them,probably because someone realised they were a disaster, and the guy who came up with the idea is now a civvy and will never wear them!!


    How have we gone from Sgt Majors being the problem to Sgt Majors being the solution in the space of a page or so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    How have we gone from Sgt Majors being the problem to Sgt Majors being the solution in the space of a page or so?
    A lot depends on the personality in the post
    'He died who loved to live,' they'll say,
    'Unselfishly so we might have today!'
    Like hell! He fought because he had to fight;
    He died that's all. It was his unlucky night.
    http://www.salamanderoasis.org/poems...nnis/luck.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamingo View Post
    A lot depends on the personality in the post
    It also depends on what the post is: is it to speak truth to power, or is it to make stupid shit sound plausible?

    It's not just the bloke doing the job, it's the people who choose him and who he speaks to.

    It's a job for a big bloke with tour gongs coming out of his arse and who's in his last post before leaving the Army. Even then it's a difficult job that requires having a boss who wants to hear unwelcome truths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    How have we gone from Sgt Majors being the problem to Sgt Majors being the solution in the space of a page or so?
    Maybe. As has been said the BSM at unit level only tend to have the ear of their own OC and perhaps the GoC. Maybe an SMA is what's needed to do the same at DFHQ level.
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    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Got my hands on the new boots for a look today. Look good but still not convinced they will be durable enough for use on exercise etc.
    No maintenance kit issued with them either.

    On the plus side I also got a look at the new kit bag. Olive green version of the British issue "Black bag".
    https://www.nicks-kit.co.uk/army-iss...bag-6784-p.asp
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Some Photos of the new boots in use here.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dfmaga...57702378376354

    Still no word on what the plan is with regard to what they are replacing though.Frustrating.
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    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Zee Germans serving in UNIFIL have been observed wearing the scout as of late. They appear to be working in HQ appointments though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    Zee Germans serving in UNIFIL have been observed wearing the scout as of late. They appear to be working in HQ appointments though.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SVSak1oBCw

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    Latest I've been hearing.

    Haix Scout (or similar) in brown will be the new 'multi-role boot'.
    ARW to get Lowa (or similar) in brown.
    Artillery Corps to get a separate steel toe cap boot in brown.
    Air Corps aircrew to get a new boot in green.
    Naval Service staying black.
    Linkers staying black for Pte's and NCO's.

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    Haix scout in brown is already kn issue.....
    Sir I cant find my peltors........Private they are on your face

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    Green Haix aircrew boot is currently being trialled.

    There is also new dark tank/brown flying clothing being trialled which looks absolutely hideous with no benefit over what is already on issue.

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    Boots tender is out (with AGS):

    Lightweight multi role boot brown
    Lightweight safety boot brown for Arty
    Flying boot (AC)
    Operational flame retardant safety boots black (NS)
    Operational leather boots brown (ARW)
    SD boots black (other ranks Male)
    SD Court shoes black (other ranks female)

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    Any further news/gossip/indications on an Arid/Desert uniform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropebag View Post
    Any further news/gossip/indications on an Arid/Desert uniform?
    That would be in the Soldier 2017 thread if there was any news on that front. That uniform was not re-ordered after we decided to pull out of RSM in Kabul.
    Rumours of a change to an Irish Multicam in a few years to replace IP-DPM/IP-DDPM in all theatres.

    Anyway.Looks like the barrack boots are a goner.
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    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by northie View Post
    Zee Germans serving in UNIFIL have been observed wearing the scout as of late. They appear to be working in HQ appointments though.
    Scout is the BW's new Arid theatre boot.
    http://www.joint-forces.com/world-ne...o-brief-update
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    "Let us be clear about three facts:First of all.All battles and all wars are won in the end by the Infantryman.Secondly the Infantryman bears the brunt of the fighting,his casualties are heavier and he suffers greater extremes of fatigue and discomfort than the other arms.Thirdly,the art of the Infantryman is less stereotyped and harder to acquire than that of any other arm".
    -- Field Marshall Earl Wavell.1948

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Scout is the BW's new Arid theatre boot.
    http://www.joint-forces.com/world-ne...o-brief-update
    What? A winter AND a summer boot? Whatever next!
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    One of the aircrew is wearing something unusual on his feet here.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Scout is the BW's new Arid theatre boot.
    http://www.joint-forces.com/world-ne...o-brief-update
    And the winter boot is a slightly tweaked version of the Nebraska pro.

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