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  • #91
    They just look weird

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    • #92
      Originally posted by DeV View Post
      They just look weird
      Yeah.Gonna take some getting used to.

      On a side note I would love to see a side by side photo of the Haix Scouts and Nepals to see the variance in colour. Gonna need a second pair of boots and I am not convinced the Scouts are high leg enough for the likes for Irish terrain in poor weather conditions.
      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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      • #93
        I suppose, once upon a time, brown boots were what the Irish DF wore, as did everyone else in the free world. Black is relatively recent. For our generation though, I think it is fair to say that Brown boots appear "un-military" somewhere in the back of the collective military mind?
        After spending so much spare time and effort making sure my boots were shiny black, the switch to brown must be like changing from driving on the left to driving on the right.
        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        • #95
          Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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          • #96
            Food for thought.
            It seems some of our friends in The Curragh are curious about how the HAIX Scout and Nepal Pro boots compare height-wise so asked if we had a photo.
            "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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            • #97
              Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
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              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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              • #98
                Originally posted by apod View Post
                got any views on suitability?

                are you lot really going to one boot - they can't possibly believe that one boot can be suitable for both July in the Golan Heights and lugging a machine gun, tripod and a billionty rounds to 2,500ft in Donegal in February - can they?

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                • #99
                  Mate, that would involve spending cash.
                  I knew a simple soldier boy.....
                  Who grinned at life in empty joy,
                  Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
                  And whistled early with the lark.

                  In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
                  With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
                  He put a bullet through his brain.
                  And no one spoke of him again.

                  You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
                  Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
                  Sneak home and pray you'll never know
                  The hell where youth and laughter go.

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                  • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                    got any views on suitability?

                    are you lot really going to one boot - they can't possibly believe that one boot can be suitable for both July in the Golan Heights and lugging a machine gun, tripod and a billionty rounds to 2,500ft in Donegal in February - can they?
                    To quote from "losing small wars" strike out British and insert Irish or any other military for that matter.....

                    "the (British) military is almost the ultimate example of anthropologist Clifford Geertz's definition of culture as ‘the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves’. There is nothing inherently negative about any of this. The problems begin when those stories are believed and acted upon. Separation then becomes exceptionalism. There is a deep-rooted belief in the idea that anything can be done, and that the possibility of failure is not only not an option, but cannot even be acknowledged. This in turn gives rise to deeply unrealistic approaches, which may be characterized by the benign phrase ‘a can-do attitude’. This is otherwise known as ‘cracking on’. No other profession can afford such illusions. In the law or in medicine the delivery of unrealistic advice results results in adverse consequences both for those requesting the advice and for those delivering it."

                    Ledwidge, Frank. Losing Small Wars: British Military Failure in Iraq and Afghanistan (p. 10). Yale University Press.
                    Last edited by northie; 25 September 2018, 18:44.

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                    • Yup.That pretty much sums it up. What Galls me is the same very senior officer who came up with the "single boot concept" purely as a cost saving measure,was the same officer who was quoted as saying "Why do the troops need desert boots in Lebanon there's no sand there?".
                      Same Gentleman shortly after ended up as DCO in UNDOF and when he was finishing up his time there was pictured receiving a presentation from the Inf Gp OC,with all ranks present in Black boots,while he himself wore Dessies.

                      Do as I say not as I do at it's best.
                      "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                      • Was this the same one in charge of the meterological almost disaster in the Glen about 15 years ago, shortly after the DPMs were introduced?
                        This officer stood in his HQ tent commenting on how good his new boots were at keeping out the water while at the same time, others were being brought in with hypothermia having been instructed not to wear OG raingear over "showerproof" DPM, as a storm hit the glen.
                        If not him, then how come there are so many at that level?
                        For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                        • Nope.Different bloke.Same mentality.
                          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                          • If not him, then how come there are so many at that level?
                            If not culled at promotion to Commandant they tend to breed and multiply...as does the stupidity of their notions.

                            Used to kick in at Commander level in the Navy. A perfectly good Lt. Cdr could go ape shit crazy as soon as the third bar and scambled egg appeared.
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • This is why we need a DF Sgt Major.To listen to the troops and get in the ear of the Chief and his Deputies.Too many good idea fairies knocking about these days.Look at the debacle over the upgraded DPM's. Tender out in February of last year.Still no sign of them,probably because someone realised they were a disaster, and the guy who came up with the idea is now a civvy and will never wear them!!
                              "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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