Thanks Thanks:  65
Likes Likes:  102
Dislikes Dislikes:  2
Page 6 of 7 FirstFirst ... 4567 LastLast
Results 126 to 150 of 171
  1. #126
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    There was a Planning decision in 2015 in respect of use of a Link-Span at Ringaskiddy requiring it's use to be deferred until completion of road works on N28 and works at Dunkettle Roundabout Co. Cork.
    As part of the Planning to expand berthage and handling space at Ringaskiddy, the contractor is required to build a slip , pier, and boating park near Paddy's Block adjacent to the entrance to the Naval Base. Shortly, with Amenity Park , there will be Refreshments and Ice Cream and throw away rubbish.

  2. #127
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    As part of the Planning to expand berthage and handling space at Ringaskiddy, the contractor is required to build a slip , pier, and boating park near Paddy's Block adjacent to the entrance to the Naval Base. Shortly, with Amenity Park , there will be Refreshments and Ice Cream and throw away rubbish.
    The news keeps pouring in. The EU environmentalists want the clean up at Haulbowline to continue on the Mill site as soon as possible or we will incur daily EU fines for non-compliance.
    The H&W yard at Belfast is losing Olsen funding and will have to go it alone unless support can be obtained. Their last big drydocking was a Cruise liner in 2018 and some ongoing short back and sides stuff for Stena.
    The new piers at Ringaskiddy are planned at 183m and 134m which is miniscule when compared to the new coastal Port at Bangkok at LAEM CHABANG where the berths vary from 300m to double berths of 700m all with 14m of depth alongside . They also have some Naval piers leased out at similar 300m lengths. We need up to 800 metres for all our ships to be alongside for Shore Power and firefighting water.
    Last edited by ancientmariner; 14th February 2019 at 21:57.

  3. Thanks Turkey thanked for this post
  4. #128
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The news keeps pouring in. The EU environmentalists want the clean up at Haulbowline to continue on the Mill site as soon as possible or we will incur daily EU fines for non-compliance.
    The H&W yard at Belfast is losing Olsen funding and will have to go it alone unless support can be obtained. Their last big drydocking was a Cruise liner in 2018 and some ongoing short back and sides stuff for Stena.
    The new piers at Ringaskiddy are planned at 183m and 134m which is miniscule when compared to the new coastal Port at Bangkok at LAEM CHABANG where the berths vary from 300m to double berths of 700m all with 14m of depth alongside . They also have some Naval piers leased out at similar 300m lengths. We need up to 800 metres for all our ships to be alongside for Shore Power and firefighting water.
    .

    Cork City Council and Cork Port Company are in the process of changing the Cork Harbour Shipping (all types) facilities forever. The City Quays are to be abandoned, mainly because they will be transected by at least two bridges and the adjacent lands are drivers for Urban development by the Council. The Cork Port company want the land to be valued , plus value of lost facilities, so that they can replicate and improve harbour facilities at Ringaskiddy. There was a recent Oireachtas Committee to high light all of this plus a slide show to illustrate Port Company intentions. The major container terminal will be on Oyster bank adjacent to Haulbowline. I am amazed that a strategic Harbour user , such as the Navy, is not invited or consulted in it's own possible demise. As part of the Development , the Port Company will plank an amenity park at the entrance to Haulbowline. It is paramount that the Navy is party to ANY harbour development. My own view is that Ringaskiddy is too small a location to combine all Port needs from Cargo to Passengers, and from coasters to large container ships.

  5. Thanks Truck Driver thanked for this post
    Likes Truck Driver liked this post
  6. #129
    Lt General
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,878
    Post Thanks / Like
    R&H hall have indicated they are moving their operation from city jetties to the old IFI plant at Marino point. Works are at a very advanced stage.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

  7. #130
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    .

    Cork City Council and Cork Port Company are in the process of changing the Cork Harbour Shipping (all types) facilities forever. The City Quays are to be abandoned, mainly because they will be transected by at least two bridges and the adjacent lands are drivers for Urban development by the Council. The Cork Port company want the land to be valued , plus value of lost facilities, so that they can replicate and improve harbour facilities at Ringaskiddy. There was a recent Oireachtas Committee to high light all of this plus a slide show to illustrate Port Company intentions. The major container terminal will be on Oyster bank adjacent to Haulbowline. I am amazed that a strategic Harbour user , such as the Navy, is not invited or consulted in it's own possible demise. As part of the Development , the Port Company will plank an amenity park at the entrance to Haulbowline. It is paramount that the Navy is party to ANY harbour development. My own view is that Ringaskiddy is too small a location to combine all Port needs from Cargo to Passengers, and from coasters to large container ships.
    The power's that should be, must implement an exclusion zone around all Defence properties for security purposes and safe separation. Take into account on water training areas for Divers and RHIB crews training. Adjacent Parks are in my opinion a problem-now or in the future.

  8. Likes Sarsfield liked this post
  9. #131
    Sergeant Major
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    999
    Post Thanks / Like
    Startup has great hopes for a proposed solar power plant in Cork harbour

    https://www.irishexaminer.com%2Fbrea...ur-941789.html

  10. #132
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by TangoSierra View Post
    Startup has great hopes for a proposed solar power plant in Cork harbour

    https://www.irishexaminer.com%2Fbrea...ur-941789.html
    The Solar Start-up company is proposing that they will initially build a floating solar power energy plant of 1.5mw, to be moored possibly in Cork harbour. They are hoping it will create a worldwide market. It probably could like a portable generator system that is movable. They are proposing it be built to " Marine Standards " to increase longevity. Again , let us hope this is not another incursion on Naval Space and that EMC/EMI problems don't effect the Naval Radio station. It will have to have a land based point for plugging into the National grid.

  11. #133
    Sergeant Major
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    999
    Post Thanks / Like
    It’s been given the green light to be built off ringaskiddy. Waiting on a foreshore license to be approved

  12. #134
    Lt Colonel
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    2,058
    Post Thanks / Like
    Probably less of an EMC/EMI concern than wind turbines, the panels produce no noise themselves - just DC energy, conversion to other voltages is where the noise could result and that can be greatly minimised with decent filtering. Worst of the interference (if any) probably confined to HF/MF and very localised - plus those frequencies seem to be of ever diminishing importance. I use solar energy around HF freqs fairly regularly.

    Off topic:- this island currently has approx 4000MW of installed wind turbine capacity, with overall peak system demands usually hovering around 4500-5500MW.

    So when the wind isn't blowing, the reliance of the network on imported electricity and imported gas is a bit worrying if things got very disorderly later in the year.
    Last edited by pym; 5th August 2019 at 22:10.

  13. Likes Flamingo liked this post
  14. #135
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by pym View Post
    Probably less of an EMC/EMI concern than wind turbines, the panels produce no noise themselves - just DC energy, conversion to other voltages is where the noise could result and that can be greatly minimised with decent filtering. Worst of the interference (if any) probably confined to HF/MF and very localised - plus those frequencies seem to be of ever diminishing importance. I use solar energy around HF freqs fairly regularly.

    Off topic:- this island currently has approx 4000MW of installed wind turbine capacity, with overall peak system demands usually hovering around 4500-5500MW.

    So when the wind isn't blowing, the reliance of the network on imported electricity and imported gas is a bit worrying if things got very disorderly later in the year.
    Pity the Interconnector to France didn't get underway a few years ago... Though would it have anyway if not for the current circumstances?
    Also a bit off Topic but it's strange seeing some of the photos inside H&W's halls and facilities now that they have gone into Administration.

  15. #136
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Pity the Interconnector to France didn't get underway a few years ago... Though would it have anyway if not for the current circumstances?
    Also a bit off Topic but it's strange seeing some of the photos inside H&W's halls and facilities now that they have gone into Administration.
    I do NOT trust those that are rushing to connect to off island power sources as it has a built-in strategic deficit in times of changed needs. We have shed more than 1000mw in recent years and could become dependent if we dont boost on Island generation. I am more than worried by the Ringaskiddy developments and likely impact on Navy and NMCI. It seems nobody is in charge and we are subject to fait accompli.
    HW is a huge asset to these islands and should be retained in most part due to it's huge drydock and repair capacity, if NOT Building? Britain does NOT have enough merchant tonnage to be Independent of hire and charter.

  16. #137
    Lt General
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,878
    Post Thanks / Like
    There was a plan by the DF not long ago to have at least one wind turbine on the island. There are already 4 others based in nearby pharma plants. The infrastructure is already in place to connect these to grid. I think the old pylons supplying irish steel were 220mw lines. This would make haulbowline cost neutral in terms of energy consumption, with the added benefit of sending surplus electricity onto the main grid.
    There are also plans in the lower harbour to install battery storage within the perimeter of the soon to be decommissioned 1980s Aghada power station.
    Interconnectors are only good for one side, those who are supplying. The UK has realised just recently that most of their power now comes from France. BREXIT may cause difficulties here.
    The elephant in the room is nuclear power. A properly managed and located nuclear power plant can provide a steady source for the majority of our peak power requirements.
    Both France and Germany have an excellent safety record in operation of these plants for almost half a century. Interesting article in yesterday's examiner regarding the pros and cons.
    Until tide and wave power can be efficiently harnessed, we need a reliable alternative source.
    German 1: Private Schnutz, I have bad news for you.
    German 2: Private? I am a general!
    German 1: That is the bad news.

  17. Thanks DeV thanked for this post
    Likes DeV liked this post
  18. #138
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmiti View Post
    There was a plan by the DF not long ago to have at least one wind turbine on the island. There are already 4 others based in nearby pharma plants. The infrastructure is already in place to connect these to grid. I think the old pylons supplying irish steel were 220mw lines. This would make haulbowline cost neutral in terms of energy consumption, with the added benefit of sending surplus electricity onto the main grid.
    There are also plans in the lower harbour to install battery storage within the perimeter of the soon to be decommissioned 1980s Aghada power station.
    Interconnectors are only good for one side, those who are supplying. The UK has realised just recently that most of their power now comes from France. BREXIT may cause difficulties here.
    The elephant in the room is nuclear power. A properly managed and located nuclear power plant can provide a steady source for the majority of our peak power requirements.
    Both France and Germany have an excellent safety record in operation of these plants for almost half a century. Interesting article in yesterday's examiner regarding the pros and cons.
    Until tide and wave power can be efficiently harnessed, we need a reliable alternative source.
    Sorry. To be more specific I meant the Island of Ireland. We are in danger of being dependent on the UK connector and France if it occurs. As I pointed out 1000mw have already been shut down with more to follow. In a strategic sense this will leave us short of controllable power. This Government are shedding responsibility by Privatising--Power, Transport, Post and Communications, Harbours and ability to Trade Internationally . Because they are at a distance from key infrastructures they are less likely to see or stop problems. At some stage we must use Nuclear Power as we are probably using it over the Irish sea Interconnector.

  19. #139
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    For the suggestions of nuclear power even leaving out the massive political and public resistance to such a proposal has anyone paid attention to the over runs the new generation in the UK and France are seeing? If today planning was granted by magic it would be the better part of 20+ years before it would be supplying into the grid, hell just look at the massive delay in bringing the Corrib field online and that was a "minor" issue of the terminal. A Nuclear plant? I'd bet most of us would be long dead before an Irish plant was operational.

  20. Thanks DeV thanked for this post
    Likes DeV liked this post
  21. #140
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    For the suggestions of nuclear power even leaving out the massive political and public resistance to such a proposal has anyone paid attention to the over runs the new generation in the UK and France are seeing? If today planning was granted by magic it would be the better part of 20+ years before it would be supplying into the grid, hell just look at the massive delay in bringing the Corrib field online and that was a "minor" issue of the terminal. A Nuclear plant? I'd bet most of us would be long dead before an Irish plant was operational.
    Corrib was delayed due to not factoring in local opposition , regulatory blockages , re-routing pipeline, and optimism bias from owners and Agencies.
    Nuclear options in face of alternative dirty or variable sources has to be assessed.
    The cost per kw hour, for nuclear, can be between Euro 5000 and Euro 2500 depending on whose plant you build. The cheaper one is of Chinese origin and the dearer would be from western sources. A 4mw plant might cost Euro 10 Billion. and would be of Asian origin.

  22. #141
    Recruit
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Baltinglass
    Posts
    423
    Post Thanks / Like
    My personal favourite to develop would be Waterford really. Much better shelter than Rosslare and has a motorway. I'd relieve Dublin and Cork of most port duties and use the land to develop the inner city.

  23. #142
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    My personal favourite to develop would be Waterford really. Much better shelter than Rosslare and has a motorway. I'd relieve Dublin and Cork of most port duties and use the land to develop the inner city.
    Cork is already going that way over the next couple of decades anyway as the Port moves down, as seen by the recent spate of high rise planning developments at the old Port of Cork area of the island and on the South Bank. As for Dublin, there was the suggestion of moving it North between Belfast and Dublin and using the Land but Dublin Port basically said "feck off" though the same crowd are now suggesting infilling Dublin Bay for development.

  24. #143
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Posts
    1,498
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Corrib was delayed due to not factoring in local opposition , regulatory blockages , re-routing pipeline, and optimism bias from owners and Agencies.
    Nuclear options in face of alternative dirty or variable sources has to be assessed.
    The cost per kw hour, for nuclear, can be between Euro 5000 and Euro 2500 depending on whose plant you build. The cheaper one is of Chinese origin and the dearer would be from western sources. A 4mw plant might cost Euro 10 Billion. and would be of Asian origin.
    There was a hell of a lot more than that that went on up there, but the point stands. All the issues you highlighted will be only magnified in a Nuclear Plant. Moreover Green movements have pretty much made Nuclear as politically DOA as heavy polluting sources, that's before you even get into what subsidies the plant would need from central government, and building the plant.

    I'm sorry but I'll stick with my view that whatever argument might be made regarding how Clean it is, we aren't going to see a Nuclear plant built on the island within our lifetimes, even if the Government started the process tomorrow (which would of course also bring down the Government at once).

  25. Thanks DeV, Graylion thanked for this post
    Likes DeV, Graylion liked this post
  26. #144
    Sergeant Major EUFighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    846
    Post Thanks / Like
    The is an excellent video from the Irish "Real Engineering" youtube channel where the problems related to green energy are discussed. What becomes very clear is the focus on the generation is not the key issue it will be how do you store that energy for when you need it. For us at this latitudes we generate most renewables during the summer when we get the most energy from the sun. This is true for solar and for wind! But our peak demand for that energy will be in the dark cold months of Feb/March. Pump storage could be a solution but then there will be that special snail that has to be preserved. We as a race, not only as a nation will have to make some very important choices but are we informed enough? Maybe we will have no other option but to build a mega interconnector to France and take their nuclear generated electricity.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5cm7HOAqZY

  27. Thanks DeV thanked for this post
  28. #145
    Sergeant Major EUFighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    846
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    My personal favourite to develop would be Waterford really. Much better shelter than Rosslare and has a motorway. I'd relieve Dublin and Cork of most port duties and use the land to develop the inner city.
    Are you suggesting a further development of Belview Port? The biggest limitation will be draught, this is currently 8-9m at Belview.
    Ringaskiddy has 13.4m which might not seem like a lot but Belview is a long way in from the mouth of Waterford harbour, that is a lot of dredging.

    In any case the traffic will go where it is cheapest, that is a fact of life. Remember Dublin and Cork are the two biggest population centres in the country and thus are always going to need ports in or near them.

  29. Thanks DeV thanked for this post
    Likes DeV liked this post
  30. #146
    Lieutenant
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    1,465
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Are you suggesting a further development of Belview Port? The biggest limitation will be draught, this is currently 8-9m at Belview.
    Ringaskiddy has 13.4m which might not seem like a lot but Belview is a long way in from the mouth of Waterford harbour, that is a lot of dredging.

    In any case the traffic will go where it is cheapest, that is a fact of life. Remember Dublin and Cork are the two biggest population centres in the country and thus are always going to need ports in or near them.
    The overall problem is that the state and its agencies have no idea of the importance of Ports and Trade. They sink Marine matters in the bowels of other Departments and are NOT proactive in making our Island of Ireland Independent. So Port development lies in the hands of beneficiaries such as shippers and developers. The result is piecemeal expansion to suit particular trades which can be transient depending on whether you provided a feeder service for smaller vessels or you become a transhipment hub to take large ocean going tonnage.
    Waterford as a point for development has Duncannon Spit which is dredged to a maintained depth of 6.5 meters. It has 3.3m on top of that at the lowest High Water (Neaps). A vessel with 9m draft might scrape over it at slow low squat speed. All vessels will be constrained by the height of tide range.
    Before developing Waterford major dredging would be required to give depths suitable for vessels of 9 meters at low water.
    The Cork Harbour development is likely to be a shambles as the development space is too congested and may damage permanent users such as the Naval service. Perhaps they should look at the east side of the harbour with potential to create land banks for containers and improvable road system with access to motorways.

  31. Thanks EUFighter thanked for this post
    Likes Graylion liked this post
  32. #147
    Recruit
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Baltinglass
    Posts
    423
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    There was a hell of a lot more than that that went on up there, but the point stands. All the issues you highlighted will be only magnified in a Nuclear Plant. Moreover Green movements have pretty much made Nuclear as politically DOA as heavy polluting sources, that's before you even get into what subsidies the plant would need from central government, and building the plant.

    I'm sorry but I'll stick with my view that whatever argument might be made regarding how Clean it is, we aren't going to see a Nuclear plant built on the island within our lifetimes, even if the Government started the process tomorrow (which would of course also bring down the Government at once).
    My reply to the suggestion of nuclear power in Ireland is "have you ever heard the expressions 'ah sure, it's gonna be grand'?".

  33. Thanks DeV thanked for this post
    Likes DeV liked this post
  34. #148
    Recruit
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Baltinglass
    Posts
    423
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by EUFighter View Post
    Are you suggesting a further development of Belview Port? The biggest limitation will be draught, this is currently 8-9m at Belview.
    Ringaskiddy has 13.4m which might not seem like a lot but Belview is a long way in from the mouth of Waterford harbour, that is a lot of dredging.

    In any case the traffic will go where it is cheapest, that is a fact of life. Remember Dublin and Cork are the two biggest population centres in the country and thus are always going to need ports in or near them.
    Belview port or across the river from t. And yes the need for dredging is pretty clear. As for logistical requirements - not so sure. How much of a port does London have?

  35. #149
    Commandant
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    1,959
    Post Thanks / Like
    Ireland building an NP station is about as likely as Ireland building a 6th gen stealth fighter - and for the same reason: you don't have the people to design it, certify it, build it and operate it.

    The UK, which has experience - though not recent - of building NP stations, has had enormous difficulties building the new power stations because those who built them in the 80's have long since retired - my dad, in his 70's, who isn't a nuclear engineer but who designed some of the sub-systems, has been dragged out of retirement several times to work on Hinckley Point C, and for not far off footballers wages - the office he's been working in is full of blokes in their 60's, 70's and even 80's because the recent experience just isn't there.

    If the design/build had started 5 years later, those people would no longer have been available - and the project would have died in the mud.

    If you're interested, the going rate for a senior engineer with any experience whatsoever of a nuclear build is about £1000 per day. There were over 200 ex-retirees working in my dad's Office, and that's been going on for the best part of a decade.

    It's money in quantities so large that they are beyond numbers...

  36. Thanks Shaqra, Flamingo thanked for this post
    Likes DeV, sofa liked this post
  37. #150
    Sergeant Major EUFighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2016
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    846
    Post Thanks / Like
    Quote Originally Posted by Graylion View Post
    Belview port or across the river from t. And yes the need for dredging is pretty clear. As for logistical requirements - not so sure. How much of a port does London have?
    London is still one of the biggest ports in the UK even if it never has recovered from the Blitz. Tilbury is the main terminal used today but London has the advantage of a large number of ports in close proximity, Dover, Medway, Ramsgate.....
    Also just in recent years they have developed a new port area called London Gateway.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •