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    Originally posted by DeV View Post
    The Vard design could probably carry IRCON for an EUBG or a Coy Group plus... and that would probably use of the flight deck for vehicles/containers
    The Government in answer to a Deputy Healy In October 2018, has indicated that it is proceeding to conduct a procedure for the replacement of LE EITHNE, with an MRV ,at an approximate cost of 200m Euro. The Deputy has insular land bound tendencies and was proposing that it should be cancelled. Their are no friends when it comes to improving the States responses to international emergencies or requests for HADR assistance. I think we will have to await for responses from possible contractors and rely on our experts to make viable productive choices with a range of role capabilities.

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    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
    The Government in answer to a Deputy Healy In October 2018, has indicated that it is proceeding to conduct a procedure for the replacement of LE EITHNE, with an MRV ,at an approximate cost of 200m Euro. The Deputy has insular land bound tendencies and was proposing that it should be cancelled. Their are no friends when it comes to improving the States responses to international emergencies or requests for HADR assistance. I think we will have to await for responses from possible contractors and rely on our experts to make viable productive choices with a range of role capabilities.
    You’d be surprised.....
    Enda Kenny announced he was sending a ship to the Med on the news

    1 Government department attempted to block it ... it wasn’t Foreign Affairs (who would see the MRV as an excellent tool)
    Last edited by DeV; 25 May 2019, 13:25.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DeV View Post
      You’d be surprised.....
      Enda Kenny announced he was sending a ship to the Med on the news

      1 Government department attempted to block it ... it wasn’t Foreign Affairs (who would see the MRV as an excellent tool)
      FFS, what a joke from the Department that attempted to block it, was it going to cost too much for them? As you say an MRV if it's used extensively for International operations would be a handy tool for Foreign Affairs.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
        FFS, what a joke from the Department that attempted to block it, was it going to cost too much for them? As you say an MRV if it's used extensively for International operations would be a handy tool for Foreign Affairs.
        They said it was illegal as not a UN mandated mission.... then the Defence (Amendment) Act 2006 was pointed out
        The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.


        It wasn’t just DF and DoD in the room when this happened it included other Departments

        This isn’t heresay either

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DeV View Post
          They said it was illegal as not a UN mandated mission.... then the Defence (Amendment) Act 2006 was pointed out
          The electronic Irish Statute Book (eISB) comprises the Acts of the Oireachtas (Parliament), Statutory Instruments, Legislation Directory, Constitution and a limited number of pre-1922 Acts.


          It wasn’t just DF and DoD in the room when this happened it included other Departments

          This isn’t heresay either
          We are in any event members of the UN and also a member of the EU and its Agreements. Our politicians often mention traditional neutrality, however it was born at a time that the only viable alliance would have been with our adjacent and lodging neighbour. We were not in a mind to help so we used neutrality as means of indicating displeasure in our fragmented circumstances, however we did allow our nationals to join other forces in their thousands. we also bent rules so as not to impede general defence of the islands.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
            We are in any event members of the UN and also a member of the EU and its Agreements. Our politicians often mention traditional neutrality, however it was born at a time that the only viable alliance would have been with our adjacent and lodging neighbour. We were not in a mind to help so we used neutrality as means of indicating displeasure in our fragmented circumstances, however we did allow our nationals to join other forces in their thousands. we also bent rules so as not to impede general defence of the islands.
            The point is that DoD tried to block a decision by An Taoiseach

            Fortunately (in this case) they don’t even know the legislation that governs them.

            Thankfully the DF had already done their homework

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DeV View Post
              The point is that DoD tried to block a decision by An Taoiseach

              Fortunately (in this case) they don’t even know the legislation that governs them.

              Thankfully the DF had already done their homework
              I agree that DoD is a blocking agency and isn't supportive of steps to establish and maintain an efficient fighting force. They see their duty to minimise costs and not be perturbed at loss of an operational norm. Hopefully we will continue with overseas training and participation where possible.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                I agree that DoD is a blocking agency and isn't supportive of steps to establish and maintain an efficient fighting force. They see their duty to minimise costs and not be perturbed at loss of an operational norm. Hopefully we will continue with overseas training and participation where possible.
                What i’m Saying is DoD tried to block Op Pontus (a SAR mission) nothing to do with a fighting force at all

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DeV View Post
                  What i’m Saying is DoD tried to block Op Pontus (a SAR mission) nothing to do with a fighting force at all
                  Why?
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Laners View Post
                    SAR mission's , i bet the Green Party would like the sound of that .
                    Ryan last night was already saying he'd want to pull out of PESCO as part of any coalition...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                      Why?
                      Only they know the answer To that

                      Originally posted by Laners View Post
                      SAR mission's , i bet the Green Party would like the sound of that .
                      ?
                      It was done as in finished

                      We aren’t talking about a future MRV deployment here we are talking about a humanitarian SAR mission that the NS conducted in the Med.... that DoD try to prevent from happening (after the Taoiseach had already announced that Ireland was going to send a ship to the EU and the media)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DeV View Post
                        Only they know the answer To that


                        ?
                        It was done as in finished

                        We aren’t talking about a future MRV deployment here we are talking about a humanitarian SAR mission that the NS conducted in the Med.... that DoD try to prevent from happening (after the Taoiseach had already announced that Ireland was going to send a ship to the EU and the media)
                        What i was getting at is . The Green Party would only stomach a MRV if it was packaged and dressed up as a humanitarian aid asset .
                        Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DeV View Post
                          What i’m Saying is DoD tried to block Op Pontus (a SAR mission) nothing to do with a fighting force at all
                          They also tried to have the EMER class unarmed and were then equipped with old stock armaments. They would not provide for the main armament of EITHNE which had to be found within Budgets, on the direction of Carl O'S. We had to have a decision on a critical constructional alteration which was sanctioned at HEO level. The cost was 2000 Euros and it almost cost the life of the HEO , hastened his retirement, and ended his life in care. All through pressure from his superiors .I can well accept your own comments on blocking.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                            Why?
                            Because the military wanted it, so it must be bad.

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                              Impact of DF or DOD Policies



                              Interesting article in the Irish Times, written by a former (very recently) officer. This is the caliber of officer we should be trying to retain.

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