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  • GLOCK 17

    48 23.76%
  • SIG P226

    96 47.52%
  • Walther P99

    10 4.95%
  • CZ75

    2 0.99%
  • Beretta 92

    30 14.85%
  • FN GP35(Mk3)

    16 7.92%
  • H&K USP

    0 0%
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    Civvie licenses for pistols and rifles. All your questions answered here.........http://pie.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=466

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    Quote Originally Posted by waterbaby
    :...I have asked about Cpl's firing the bap in competition but was told it was only for senior NCO's & Officers....
    Would say this is horse****. The Cav, for instance, are supposed to be
    trained up on the BAP, as a car crewman(woman). Whether RDF
    Cav troopers get BAP training in this scenario, I'm unsure.
    My mob specifies Sgt upwards, as Sgt's may have to do BOS duties
    on camp. Fair dinkum, to a point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMolloy
    Last night I was talking to an exer friend of mine who served in ordnance, he said that the notion that the BAPs were improrperly maintained from the start is news to him.
    From what I can remember some years ago the British army suffered a number of Fatal and near fatal missfires with their BAPs(L something or other). These for the most part were caused by slide failure, in particular the failure of the slide to the rear of the ejection opening.

    As a result of this, Our own ordnance people surveyed the Pistols in stores and discovered a large number when x rayed had the same hairline cracks found on UK weapons(Possibly caused by firing higher load Parabellum rounds than usual) as well as metal fatigue which was not unusual for any metal object which undergoes the stresses associated with the firing of any ammunition. A large quantity were removed as a result of these examinations.

    The increased use of the Pistol since the withdrawal of the Gustav SMG has also diminished the available pistols,necessitating the replacment programme.


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    new DF sidearm poll

    saw inthe indo Yesterday that the DF are replacing the Browning, so here's a poll to find out everyone's preference
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    Hasn't this been done before?
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    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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    Finally, this could mean that the RDF should soon be issued with new dueling flintlock pistols .... ooh i cant wait!!!

    Personally the SiG Sauer would be my choice, simply because it has proven itself with a lot of other forces, dont the ARW use a SiG too? their experience will surely be called upon in the choice making, then again, that WOULD be forward thinking of the DF....
    "He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
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    With 50,000 men getting killed a week, who's going to miss a pigeon?

    Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people.

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    sorry YJ, I searched but all I got was an error message
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    If I recall the last time round the selection was made,but the government cancelled the process.
    Anything will do as long as its 9mm and double action. Armourers around the country have begun condemning Baps all over the place. Replacements are well overdue. Some of those in stores have smoothe bore Barrels at this stage.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mutter nutter
    saw inthe indo Yesterday that the DF are replacing the Browning, so here's a poll to find out everyone's preference
    Can anyone find and post this article?


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    Can anyone find and post this article?
    Too much work, but the article was based on the press conference mentioned in the post below, and the pistols get a mention:

    http://irishmilitaryonline.com/board...ead.php?t=6571
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    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    Talking with a Brit, they ran into an interesting case when the Iraqis wanted to trade their Glocks for BAPs. They figured that if the British Army were using BAPs, they must be better than the Glocks that they had been issued with...

    The US Army is taking a serious look at going back to .45ACP, after tests with a few modern calibres. Any word on what the new NATO pistol cartridge is likely to be for the rest of Europe?

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    What about the H&K pistols? P2000,P8(recently selected as the German Armed Forces pistol) or the USP?
    http://www.heckler-koch.de/oldsite/h..._00_index.html


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    Contracts expected to be placed by the end of this year.

    http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/b...ead.php?t=6661


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    Too MUCH TALK OVER Pistols. Any good double action will do. I carry a FEG in 9mm Makarov ( its basically a Walther PPK) while working in one country, some of my guys carry Makarovs ( excellent weapon , always fires but no fancy bits and pieces that seem to be the rage these days, One even carry a TT33 single action old but it works. For Home defence I have a model 36 Chiefs Special also easy for the wife to handle and in another countrey I carry a glock, why because I got a good deal --cheap. I have also over the years carried a Beretta, an Astra , and a BAP. Why do I prefer the FEG its light, ammo is very available and I dont fancy glocks , conservative on safeties etc.
    For the Army: Gate keepers etc a good SW 357 revolver
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    How about this one?
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    Go with the nokia on...dual functionality and all
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    It depends on what the signal & battery life is like...
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    You would look well walking around with a gun to your head and talking to "yourself"!!
    Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir"
    without adding, "You're making a scene."

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    Hands free kit?
    Well, government doesn't stop just because the country's been destroyed! I mean, annihilation's bad enough without anarchy to make things even worse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTU
    Hands free kit?
    yea, you could use it for drive bys and not get pulled over.
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    Hi all
    Don't let them find cracks and you can keep your beloved BAPs forever!! We NDT'd an 81mm mortar in the Don, once upon a time, and found lots of hairline cracks. That mortar and all of it's pals went to Irish Steel. By and by, I fired a 9mm Beretta and the 10mm/.40 version. The 9mm felt just right and the bigger one had too much recoil for comfort, although it made a bigger hole in the target.
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    US Giving up on 9mm, going back to .45

    Not sure I like this. If you've got to go to a bigger round, how about a .40 or 357SIG? Special Forces and maybe infantry might like the bigger punch, but for my use, I'd rather have more smaller rounds to suppress while I run away.

    NTM


    Solicitation number : H92222-05-R-0017
    Title : 10 -- Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System

    http://www1.eps.gov/spg/ODA/USSOCOM.../SynopsisP.html

    General Information

    Document Type: Presolicitation Notice
    Solicitation Number: H92222-05-R-0017
    Posted Date: Aug 26, 2005
    Original Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
    Current Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
    Original Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
    Current Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
    Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons
    Naics Code: 332994 -- Small Arms Manufacturing

    Contracting Office AddressOther Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations
    Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill
    AFB, FL, 33621-5323

    Description

    The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available
    non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45
    (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP
    requirement.
    The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled
    "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance
    of the solicitation.
    Two configurations of the pistol will be required.
    One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration
    will have an external safety.
    The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary
    equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor
    Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound
    suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning
    Kit; and Operator's Manual.
    The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ)
    issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders. The contract period of
    performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an
    additional Five (5) years.
    The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with
    external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The
    estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP
    configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration;
    649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity
    Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits;
    Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data.
    Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination.
    The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of
    24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the
    closing date stated in the solicitation. The 24-each product sample from the
    successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent
    delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a
    maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each.
    Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to
    commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and
    written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government
    will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and
    other than the highest technically rated offeror.
    Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors
    upon request and at the offeror's expense. The Government cannot guarantee
    the condition of the product samples after testing.
    All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by
    the agency.
    The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation. Notifications,
    Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS.
    Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at
    john.pfender@navy.mil.

    They combined the Future Handgun Sytem and SOF Combat Pistol programs for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by California Tanker
    Not sure I like this. If you've got to go to a bigger round, how about a .40 or 357SIG? Special Forces and maybe infantry might like the bigger punch, but for my use, I'd rather have more smaller rounds to suppress while I run away.
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