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  • #61
    Can anyone find and post this article?
    Too much work, but the article was based on the press conference mentioned in the post below, and the pistols get a mention:

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    • #62


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #63
        Talking with a Brit, they ran into an interesting case when the Iraqis wanted to trade their Glocks for BAPs. They figured that if the British Army were using BAPs, they must be better than the Glocks that they had been issued with...

        The US Army is taking a serious look at going back to .45ACP, after tests with a few modern calibres. Any word on what the new NATO pistol cartridge is likely to be for the rest of Europe?

        NTM
        Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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        • #64
          What about the H&K pistols? P2000,P8(recently selected as the German Armed Forces pistol) or the USP?


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • #65
            Contracts expected to be placed by the end of this year.



            Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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            • #66
              Too MUCH TALK OVER Pistols. Any good double action will do. I carry a FEG in 9mm Makarov ( its basically a Walther PPK) while working in one country, some of my guys carry Makarovs ( excellent weapon , always fires but no fancy bits and pieces that seem to be the rage these days, One even carry a TT33 single action old but it works. For Home defence I have a model 36 Chiefs Special also easy for the wife to handle and in another countrey I carry a glock, why because I got a good deal --cheap. I have also over the years carried a Beretta, an Astra , and a BAP. Why do I prefer the FEG its light, ammo is very available and I dont fancy glocks , conservative on safeties etc.
              For the Army: Gate keepers etc a good SW 357 revolver
              Oil on the fire,

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              • #67
                How about this one?
                Attached Files
                Hour by hour resolve firmly, like a Roman and a man, to do what comes to hand with correct and natural dignity, and with humanity, independence, and justice. Allow your mind freedom from all other considerations. :wink:
                - Marcus Aurelius-Roman Emperor A.D. 121-180

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                • #68
                  Go with the nokia on...dual functionality and all
                  What are you cackling at, fatty? Too much pie, that's your problem.

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                  • #69
                    It depends on what the signal & battery life is like...
                    "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                    • #70
                      You would look well walking around with a gun to your head and talking to "yourself"!!

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                      • #71
                        Hands free kit?
                        It was the year of fire...the year of destruction...the year we took back what was ours.
                        It was the year of rebirth...the year of great sadness...the year of pain...and the year of joy.
                        It was a new age...It was the end of history.
                        It was the year everything changed.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by CTU
                          Hands free kit?
                          yea, you could use it for drive bys and not get pulled over.
                          Theirs not to make reply,
                          Theirs not to reason why,
                          Theirs but to do and die:
                          Into the valley of Death
                          Rode the six hundred.

                          The Charge of the Light Brigade

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                          • #73
                            Hi all
                            Don't let them find cracks and you can keep your beloved BAPs forever!! We NDT'd an 81mm mortar in the Don, once upon a time, and found lots of hairline cracks. That mortar and all of it's pals went to Irish Steel. By and by, I fired a 9mm Beretta and the 10mm/.40 version. The 9mm felt just right and the bigger one had too much recoil for comfort, although it made a bigger hole in the target.
                            regards
                            GttC

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                            • #74
                              US Giving up on 9mm, going back to .45

                              Not sure I like this. If you've got to go to a bigger round, how about a .40 or 357SIG? Special Forces and maybe infantry might like the bigger punch, but for my use, I'd rather have more smaller rounds to suppress while I run away.

                              NTM


                              Solicitation number : H92222-05-R-0017
                              Title : 10 -- Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) System



                              General Information

                              Document Type: Presolicitation Notice
                              Solicitation Number: H92222-05-R-0017
                              Posted Date: Aug 26, 2005
                              Original Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
                              Current Response Date: Nov 29, 2005
                              Original Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
                              Current Archive Date: Oct 14, 2005
                              Classification Code: 10 -- Weapons
                              Naics Code: 332994 -- Small Arms Manufacturing

                              Contracting Office AddressOther Defense Agencies, U.S. Special Operations
                              Command, Headquarters Procurement Division, 7701 Tampa Point Blvd, MacDill
                              AFB, FL, 33621-5323

                              Description

                              The USSOCOM intends to issue a solicitation to obtain commercially available
                              non-developmental item (NDI) Joint Combat Pistol (JCP) system, Caliber .45
                              (ACP). The Program will use full and open competition to fulfill the JCP
                              requirement.
                              The JCP will be delivered in accordance with specification entitled
                              "Performance Specification Joint Combat Pistol" to be provided with issuance
                              of the solicitation.
                              Two configurations of the pistol will be required.
                              One configuration will have no external safety and the other configuration
                              will have an external safety.
                              The Combat Pistol System consists of: a Caliber .45 pistol and its ancillary
                              equipment including: Magazines (standard and high-capacity); Suppressor
                              Attachment Kit for operation of the pistol with and without sound
                              suppressor; Holster; Magazine Holder (standard and high-capacity); Cleaning
                              Kit; and Operator's Manual.
                              The contract type will be an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ)
                              issuing Firm-Fixed Price (FFP) delivery orders. The contract period of
                              performance shall be Five (5)years with an option to extend for an
                              additional Five (5) years.
                              The Minimum Quantity is 24 each Engineering Test Units (ETU's), 12 each with
                              external manual safety and 12 each without external manual safety. The
                              estimated Maximum quantities are: 45,000 no external safety JCP
                              configuration and 600,000 JCP with the external safety configuration;
                              649,000 Holsters; 96,050 Standard Capacity Magazines; 192,099 High Capacity
                              Magazines; 667,000 Magazine Holders; 132,037 Suppressor attachment kits;
                              Provisioning Item Order, Technical Data Package and associated Data.
                              Transportation shall be F.O.B. Destination.
                              The solicitation will require, free of charge to the government, delivery of
                              24 each product samples along with a concise written proposal all due on the
                              closing date stated in the solicitation. The 24-each product sample from the
                              successful offeror may be accepted as the Minimum Quantity. Any subsequent
                              delivery orders for JCP's will order between 50 each and 200,000 each with a
                              maximum monthly delivery rate of 5,000 each.
                              Any subsequent orders for the ancillary items will require delivery to
                              commence within 60 days after receipt of order. The product samples and
                              written proposal will be evaluated on a best value basis and the Government
                              will reserve the right to award to other than the lowest priced offeror and
                              other than the highest technically rated offeror.
                              Product samples from unsuccessful offerors will be returned to the offerors
                              upon request and at the offeror's expense. The Government cannot guarantee
                              the condition of the product samples after testing.
                              All responsible sources may submit a proposal, which shall be considered by
                              the agency.
                              The Government intend to issue a draft solicitation. Notifications,
                              Solicitation, and other communication will be posted via FEDBIZOPS.
                              Questions may be emailed to Contract Specialist, Mr. Pfender at
                              john.pfender@navy.mil.

                              They combined the Future Handgun Sytem and SOF Combat Pistol programs for this.
                              Driver, tracks, troops.... Drive and adjust!!

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by California Tanker
                                Not sure I like this. If you've got to go to a bigger round, how about a .40 or 357SIG? Special Forces and maybe infantry might like the bigger punch, but for my use, I'd rather have more smaller rounds to suppress while I run away.
                                What, you mean after your tank sinks in the desert?
                                Take these men and women for your example.
                                Like them, remember that posterity can only
                                be for the free; that freedom is the sure
                                possession of those who have the
                                courage to defend it.
                                ***************
                                Liberty is being free from the things we don't like in order to be slaves of the things we do like.
                                ***************
                                If you're not ready to die for it, put the word freedom out of your vocabulary.

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