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    Irish Army Motorcycles for Sale

    This coming Saturday at Wilsons auctions on the NASS road ,to include about 7 Kawasaki GT550 3 Kawasaki KLR 250 and Suzuki Bandit 600

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    Bandit appears to have a "little front end damage", while the GT550s seem to be on offer minus the windscreens. Its as good as impossible to get replacement screens for that type of fairing(CBX) these days,as most in garda stock were replaced with the Powerbronze fairing,once the original became damaged,while the CBX type itself is a single piece clear fairing,with the lower part painted white.
    GT550s come in two types...Well looked after and rat bikes. The former is usually a good purchace irrespective of its age,
    while the latter can become a bottomless money pit,requiring new carb diaphgrams (€70 x 4) fork seals(labour intensive) fork stanchion bushings(will blow numerous fork seals before you spot it)rear fender replacement(rust traps) rear shocks,(originals are oil/air,and frequently abused when users decide to top up air using high pressure garage line..)cam chain tensioner on earlier models prone to failure,LCD/Analogue instrument display,exhausts rotting at balance pipes,
    The engine is pretty good though....

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    Auction this saturday PRICES

    just a quick note to say i went to the auction on the nass road last Saturday and there were about 12 ex DF MC's for sale to include GT550's in Red and Blue Kawasaki KLR 250 "Scrambler Motorcyces " and a very badly bent Suzuki Bandit 2002, that went for €1300 + 10% Commision , in general the condition was bad and parts missing from nearly all and the average price for a gt was 700 and about the same for the 3 Klr's maybe next time what comes out will be worth buying

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    what year were the GTs? I saw a gaggle of MCs in Limerick yesterday,the leader was driving a GT,the rest seemed to be on varous types of offroaders.

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    After yesterdays Competition, there may shortly be big changes in the type and quantity of motorcycles used by the Irish Defence Forces.

    On display(Sadly not taking part), were the New KTM and the Diesel Powered motorcycle, which are under serious consideration.

    Photos to follow.

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    KTM LC4 400







    Diesel Motorcycle .(mentioned earlier on this topic)




    Both types together for comparison.

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    Military motorcycling has taken a new step....

    http://www.janes.com/defence/land_fo...0307_1_n.shtml

    Jordanian special forces blaze a trail with modified motorcycle

    The Jordanian Special Operations Command (SOCOM) has taken into service an unusual all-terrain motorcycle originally designed by Rokon Inc of the US.

    At the April 2000 SOFEX show in Amman it was announced that Rokon had signed a co-operation agreement with the King Abdullah Design and Development Bureau (KADDB) to develop heavy-duty, dual-wheel-drive, off-road motorcycles for Jordan and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa. A modified version of the basic design, designated AB23 Desert Ranger, has since been devised by KADDB in association with Rokon to meet local military operating requirements.

    An initial batch of four Trail-Blazer motorcycles was supplied by Rokon to enable the user to commence extended trials and evaluation prior to formal acceptance of the AB23 Desert Ranger, anticipated for March 2001. KADDB and Rokon completed their own development and trials program in October 2000 and have since been preparing for industrialization of the Desert Ranger at the KADDB facilities in the King Hussein Main Workshops, Jordan. It is understood all Desert Rangers intended for supply throughout the Middle East and North Africa will be manufactured and supported from Jordan by KADDB, which plans to display the vehicle jointly with Rokon at IDEX Abu Dhabi in March.

    Rokon president Thomas Blais told IDR that, pending the start of Jordanian production, the company remains the only producer of such dual-wheel drive motorcycles, which are built for traction in mountainous terrain rather than speed. The engine is coupled to a three-speed automatic torque converter located under the seat behind the engine. This acts as a transfer case, delivering drive to the rear wheel via a chain, and to the front wheel via a shaft that runs through the backbone of the frame and then onto a chain. On both outputs from the transfer case there is a mechanical disc brake. A clutched coupling enables the front wheel to freewheel when the handlebars are turned off-center so as not to hinder maneuvering.

    The first 2x2 motorbike was produced in the US over 45 years ago, and was initially aimed at hunters and recreational users. However, numbers of Rokon motorbikes have since also been supplied for use by US special forces in the Vietnam and Gulf wars, and to the Brazilian special forces.

    The baseline model is powered by a 10hp 146cc Chrysler two-stroke engine driving through a three-speed automatic transmission, but the AB23 Desert Ranger mounts a Kohler, 172cc single-cylinder, four-stroke, fan-cooled petrol engine, which delivers 6.6hp at 4,000rpm. According to Blais the fitting of the four-stroke engine makes the Desert Ranger quieter in operation than any quadbike or all-terrain vehicle. The top speed in the high-speed range is just under 72km/h, and gradient capability is 60º.

    The main fuel tank carries 10 liters of gasoline/oil mix, sufficient for 500km or six to nine hours of operation, but an additional 9.4 or 17 liters may be carried in each of the two auxiliary fuel tanks located in each drum-wheel. In desert operations it is expected one of the drum-wheels would instead be used for water storage, the additional weight in the wheels helping to improve traction. The Desert Ranger's dry weight is 94.3kg (Trail-Blazer, 84kg), and the sealed wheel hubs in combination with low-pressure tires enable it to be floated across deep water obstacles. The Desert Ranger can ford to a depth of 61cm and has a ground clearance of 38cm.

    Its low dry weight enables the Desert Ranger to be carried on vehicles such as the AB3 Black Iris or the AB5 special forces' LandRover as a scouting adjunct, or for when gradients, soft going or path-widths prevent normal four-wheel drive movement. Accessories include a power take-off kit to drive pumps and generators in the field, a tow bar, and a sidecar to carry up to 500 lb (226kg) of additional equipment.


    Jordanian special forces test Rokon dual-wheel-drive motorcycles. The AB23 variant, co-developed with KADDB, is designed to give motorized access to otherwise inaccessible observation points. It is self-floating, and can be carried on a light mother vehicle. Its sealed wheel hubs may be used to stow supplementary fuel and water for several days of autonomous operation.
    (Source: KADDB)


    The Jordanian Special Operations Command is the third client for Rokon dual-wheel drive motorbikes, the first two being the US special forces and Brazilian special forces.
    (Copyright: Rokon/KADDB)


    View of the AB23 revealing a good view of the front-wheel drive mechanism.
    (Copyright: Rokon/KADDB)

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    So now that the Deauvilles of the Presidential escort are due to be sold, what is a suitable replacement?



    In the past the engine size has been steadily climbing. XS400, GT550, NTV650. The Current Deauville is 700cc. Hardly necessary given they rarely approach anything resembling motorway speeds.


    Yours for €10999 On the road.
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    Now GF you know very well that the bigger engine gives a smoother ride.

    Speed isn't everything!!

    Is there any RDF unit with motor cycles?
    I know in theory 62 MP and 62 Cav are supposed to but do they?
    Tpt and CIS are theoretically supposed to but in all my time I never seen them with one.
    Is ay RDF unit doing a DR course?
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    31 cav and 62Cav have motorcyclists. 31 Cav completed a DR course last year, and the year before. I don't know if 54 have bikes, but they should.

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    FJR 1300?

    Might be speed overkill but it looks the part and will have commonality with part of the Garda Fleet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by luchi View Post
    Now GF you know very well that the bigger engine gives a smoother ride.

    Speed isn't everything!!

    Is there any RDF unit with motor cycles?
    I know in theory 62 MP and 62 Cav are supposed to but do they?
    Tpt and CIS are theoretically supposed to but in all my time I never seen them with one.
    Is ay RDF unit doing a DR course?
    I saw a tpt unit with motorbikes (Enfield I think) when I was 3....
    Meh.

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    You mean apart from Res Cav having DRs?

    I think some of the MP coys might have DRs too, for their green role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Come-quickly View Post
    FJR 1300?

    Might be speed overkill but it looks the part and will have commonality with part of the Garda Fleet.
    The problem is most of these bikes will be driving at relatively slow speeds. Big Bikes like the FJR or Paneuropean do not like slow speeds. Its designed for touring. Its used in the Gardai for high speed work. Their new Deauvilles are the ones you'll most likely see pottering around slow moving traffic.
    Plut its a bit costly.... If You are gonna pay that much you'd be as well getting BMWs for everyone. I'm sure Maddocks would be more than happy to oblige.

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    Well at least I didn't suggest a Desmo.
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    Anything is possible.

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    F800 Gs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    So now that the Deauvilles of the Presidential escort are due to be sold, what is a suitable replacement?
    I don't want to go off thread, but I have to say that horses are much more appropriate for a Presidential escort. Just a thought.
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    The horsie school would throw a wobbler at the idea of other ranks riding horses in public.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireplace View Post
    I don't want to go off thread, but I have to say that horses are much more appropriate for a Presidential escort. Just a thought.
    Not really. Apart from Her Maj. Everyone else in modern countries use motorcycle outriders. The last operational ceremonial unit of the DF to use horses were Artillery.

    Search for the Blue Hussars, and continue this discussion there.

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    Closing date for the above tender is friday.

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    The Old Deauvilles will shortly be sold at auction, according to those over at irishbikerforum.

    They also say the Deauvilles will be replaced by ...




    More Deauvilles. The New Dullville has a larger engine, and a proper screen.
    I wouldn't mind replacing my trusty 98 africa Twin with a presidential blue dullville.
    As long as they gave me a good price of course.


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    Took a test drive on an ex MOD police BMW 850 RT today.

    They would have been nice in Presedential Blue.
    The Test bike still had the strobes, though with amber lights..

    I didn't do any checkpoints before you ask.


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    Honda have won the contract for the replacement of the presidential escort bikes - only 2 tenders!!.

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    http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...&postcount=100
    Lowest offer 337945.00 / highest offer 435869.40 EUR excluding VAT

    Thats between €9866 and €7510 per bike. Ex Vat. Considering they didn't succeed in getting Honda to take the old ones off their hands as P/Ex, only a Fair result. One Wonders who the other Bidder was.

    The new Dullvile retails for €10999 OTR to the ordinary joe.

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