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    Does any1 think there is much difference in the 1st camps for RDF between battalions or even companies.I had 18hour days and no alcohol,not complaining was tough but very enjoyable,just heard that other recruit camps were alot easier. :-patriot:

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    I think if your recruit camp is actually the Battalions annual camp you get off lighter. One reason being that its more acceptable to allow people out for a few drinks on annual camp as opposed to recruit camp.
    When you're away with your own company more often than not you work on a company basis e.g. all Privates are/aren't allowed to the mess tonight. This results in the recruits being given the same treatment as the 2/3 stars, which of course would be slightly more lenient.
    Personally I think recruits should be allowed drink (in moderation) for one night of their first camp, simply to let them get to know each other. As for the 18hr days, its not necessary as a recruit, you're not on your Pots course. Finishing up about 8 in the evening should be ample.

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    • #3
      I'd say you'd be a right one to instruct in RDF Recruit Training, when they come in from there for few scoops would you tuck them into bed and read them a story?

      PDF Recruits aren't allowed drink and are on the go from the moment they get up until 23.59 when they get to hop into the cot.It should be the same for RDF Recruits, they haven't earned the right to drink in the mess unlike 2/3* RDF Pte's who have completed there training, very limited and basic as it is.
      Death before Dishonour.

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      • #4
        I'm sorry,I thought this was the DF,not butlins!
        Recruits in 1st S brigade were not allowed Drink or smoke during training. If I had my way the RDF would be restricted to a dry canteen for the duration of training,which would get rid of the holiday camp mentality. At the end of training,recruits should not have the energy to want to go on the piss. They should be too busy getting their kit in order for the following day.
        In my experience,allowing recruits to drink at any time during training is only a recepie for disaster. They can socialise and "get to know each other" after their meal breaks. Its not a social club...or has something changed and nobody told me?


        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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        • #5
          Oh will you two pair of women get off the stage! 07:00-20:00hrs = 13hr days. After that their "free" time is spent on a game of footie, washing, learning their notes, polishing their boots, ironing their uniforms..etc. Fair enough I wont argue with the dry canteen idea, I know alcohol and recruits generally dont go but my suggestion was only to let them out once for an hour for one or two drinks. Its not that far removed.

          I'd say you'd be a right one to instruct in RDF Recruit Training, when they come in from there for few scoops would you tuck them into bed and read them a story?

          Where the hell did that come from?? Yeah fair enough thats what I do with my recruits....

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          • #6
            We were never told "You aren't allowed drink on recruit camp", we were just told " Your uniform has to be perfect in the morning, kit organised and able to preform fully, after that you're on your own time".
            Is that not fair enough? Legally are recruits allowed to drink in a privates mess?
            "I have never accepted what many people have kindly said, namely that I inspired the Nation. It was the nation and the race dwelling around the globe that had the lion heart. I had the luck to be called upon to give the roar"
            - Sir Winston Churchill, Speech Nov. 1954.

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            • #7
              It came from reading your message. If you had any concept of what it means to be a member of a Defence Force, active or reserve you'd realise that when in training you put the boot in. You train hard to fight easy, if you making training easy then when you find yourself in a real situation your unprepared and thats how body bags get filled.
              Death before Dishonour.

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              • #8
                Sometimes allowing recruits to drink on camp can make it harder, as long as the NCO's don't show leniancy for hangovers.
                "I have never accepted what many people have kindly said, namely that I inspired the Nation. It was the nation and the race dwelling around the globe that had the lion heart. I had the luck to be called upon to give the roar"
                - Sir Winston Churchill, Speech Nov. 1954.

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                • #9
                  So you'd let them drink, be hungover the next day and have a day wasted. You get limited time to train your recruits and your willing to let a whole day be wasted because there nursing there hangovers instead of taking any heed to wot instructors are trying to teach them.
                  Death before Dishonour.

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                  • #10
                    Hungover or not, they are made take heed to what the instructors are saying. If not, they get to do a little run. Thats the way it was with us anyway. Anyone with a hangover was made preform as well as the people with none, however much more difficult it was for them.
                    "I have never accepted what many people have kindly said, namely that I inspired the Nation. It was the nation and the race dwelling around the globe that had the lion heart. I had the luck to be called upon to give the roar"
                    - Sir Winston Churchill, Speech Nov. 1954.

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                    • #11
                      Warlord, I am more than well aware of what it means to be a member of the DF (Ive been one for several years). When I train recruits I'll work the hell out of them for the X amount of hours they are on program. The time they have off program isnt spent sitting on their behind, they have plenty of things to keep them occupied. Things that if not done will make their life harder the next day e.g. problems pointed out with uniform not rectified, notes not learnt etc.
                      Slaphead asked why there was a difference in standard between camps, I merely suggested a reason. My recruits were the ones with the 18hr days, not the other way around. It seems to me you think Im a soft touch because Id allow my recruits have two whole drinks. I can assure you Im not, but theres only so much you can do with team-building exercises and it can also work as an incentive e.g. pass your TOETs at the end of the week and youll be allowed to the mess for an hour.

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                      • #12
                        Yeah I'd asy they were taking heed alright, its very easy to nod, say "yes cpl" and repeat what you've been told 2 minutes beforehand.

                        There's a thread about the PDF accepting the RDF as equals, letting your recruits go drinking affects our perception of the RDF. Is it so hard to stay off the beer for 2 weeks?
                        Death before Dishonour.

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                        • #13
                          Warlord, I totally agree, recruits shouldnt be let drink anything near an amount that would give them a hangover. Who are you disagreeing with now me or JimmyC (or both)?

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                          • #14
                            Both, why the hell do you let the recruits drink? they haven't earned the right to go into a mess (pte's or nco's) and have a drink.
                            Death before Dishonour.

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                            • #15
                              Is it so hard to stay off the beer for 2 weeks?
                              No, it's not hard to stay off the drink for 2 weeks and if we were told we couldn't drink it wouldn't cause fuss. I only drank 2 nights of recruit camp anyway ( More than I should have, but less than most). But it never went wrong for us in that nobody really overdid it, maybe thats why I'm disagreeing. I havent seen the problems it can cause. I can see where you are comming from.

                              Yeah I'd asy they were taking heed alright, its very easy to nod, say "yes cpl" and repeat what you've been told 2 minutes beforehand.
                              Very few instructors are stupid enough to fall for that.
                              "I have never accepted what many people have kindly said, namely that I inspired the Nation. It was the nation and the race dwelling around the globe that had the lion heart. I had the luck to be called upon to give the roar"
                              - Sir Winston Churchill, Speech Nov. 1954.

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