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    W e use the pocket on the flacker when on cit escort,but never have i seen or heard of anyone putting a mag in their pocket or being told to do so in the 12th.As for the rdf ye should allways be issued webbing for scty duty.no excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docman
    The Army doesn't really care about your "personal preference".

    Look at the new tac aide, chapter 3,section 3.3 look under the note II...
    i rest my case!
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    What to carry in your smock?

    From Connect in Feb 2004, aimed at PDF Std NCOs Course
    http://www.military.ie/images/connec..._the_field.pdf

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    just a quick list compass, pen knife , binos , 30m para chord, 2 bin liners, gloves, bush hat , first aide kit, trip wire 20m , cammo cream/mirror. tea bags/ coffee flint&steel , lighter zippo. whistle .sight adgusting key, sweets tac aide , notebook 2 biros normally only hump the gloves and bush hat only for tactics but whistle compass are on a dummy chord

    we had a lecture from the pdf once from some lads just back from e timor and one of them demonstrated what he had in his pockets , and gave us a nice list


    top pockets notebook 2 pencils,2 cinagraph pencil,whistle,silva compass,admin docs, tac aide,protractor,stabilo pens red blue,
    bottom pockets 30m twine,cammo cream mirror, pocket torch /s batteries,neck warmer,prismatic compass, insulating tape pocket binos
    "take a look to the sky right before you die, its the last time you will"

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    Someone should've told the guy I used to see on gate duty on the canal entrance, (by the motor pool) to Cathal Brugha. He always had his pants cargo pockets crammed with Steyr mags. Granted, this was a good few years ago.

    the guy on that gate was never armed- so i doubt it was steyr mags- knowing some of hte lads who do that gate it was more than likely porno mags
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    Yep, he was too !!! But I am going back quite a few years here, perhaps before your own Army time. At least 12 or 13 years ago, probably even longer, still olive green uniforms, I think (fuzzy mind these days, me).

    I remember distinctly the guy having a steyr though. what was unusual that these were the first times I ever saw that gate open and in use.

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    What do you carry on your webbing?

    getting together my webbing kit at the moment... after talking to Bam Bam about this subject last week, and also after having seen the An Cosantoir poster on same got me thinking...what do you carry on your webbing?

    "Live from your backpack, fight from your webbing, survive from your jacket" is a quote ive heard (or similar)

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    There is a huge thread about this from a few months ago. Personally I dont agree with the saying as your jacket will come on and off with the weather where as no matter what your doing your webbing should never come off.

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    Great to hear the combat veterans giving their opinion....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzzle
    There is a huge thread about this from a few months ago. Personally I dont agree with the saying as your jacket will come on and off with the weather where as no matter what your doing your webbing should never come off.

    i tried the much vaunted search function, perhaps i didnt use the right search terms...

    but thats a great reply to my question anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by stameen soldier
    i tried the much vaunted search function, perhaps i didnt use the right search terms...
    http://www.irishmilitaryonline.com/b...=Live+backpack

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    Why doesn't anyone chech with their units first.
    There is a detailed admin instruction available, if your unit are footdragging shooting competition obsessives then get it from Connect.
    Stop getting the opinions of people who for all you know could be little old ladies who've never worn a shade of green and get the official information that is there for you to use.
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    For once I agree with CQ.

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    Thats for smock not web
    It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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    From memmory it covers both or if it dosn't it links to stuff that does. Should also list which manuals to consult. Its a good starting point either way but like most threads around here it dosnt come to any usefull conclusions.

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    no. just smock.
    It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    "Welcome to our newest member, Search Function"
    I hear he is feeling used...

    Right bitches,this is how it works.

    Admin in the field is something that should be taught by a units NCOs according to Unit SOPs and best practice. In the South, BTC(S) regularly come up with an updated list of what to carry,and where,based on experiences learnt from those returning from overseas operations. East Timor,for example was a massive learning curve for the DF,who up to then had never been involved in Modern long range patrolling at platoon level.

    So they come up with a list,its circulated to the PDF units in the Brigade. RDF units send people on courses instructed by members of these pdf units,who in turn share this list with RDF. The RDF people then go back to their units with this new list,which is in turn shared with all interested individuals.

    I am curious why stameen feels the need to ask this question on a message board like this,when he could ask any number of NCOs,and officers for the up to date list.

    Meanwhile,as Kermit says,there is a layout in TM201,as well as a section in the new TAMs

    Both of these documents are marked Restricted..

    can anyone tell me what that means?

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    i carry a mess tin 2 mars bars a galaxy and a packet of tayto in my kidney pouch then carry 2 litres of lucozade in me water bottle me mags with rounds and shit and my chemical warefare suit, tell my what more do ya really need oh yeah its the flat lucozade sport stuff its about 2 euro a bottle thats madness

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    Jaysus,

    Again with the "RESTRICTED" ...I think the guy was just looking for a few ideas and some input on where to place his equipment.

    I'm sure he has received instruction at his unit, but, as we all know, there's plenty of ways to skin a cat, and there are members on this board who maybe would have a different take on gear placement.

    I'm with Delta on this one...there's no reason to classify info about carrying extra canteens and a stripped ration pack a friggin' secret !!!

    My 02 cents worth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by strummer
    Jaysus,

    Again with the "RESTRICTED" ...I think the guy was just looking for a few ideas and some input on where to place his equipment.

    Later.
    The information is not restricted,the source is.

    Its not a question of ideas,suggestions input or guesses.

    There is already best practice for carrying such equipment,and it is available to those who ask at unit level.

    Its when RDF people show up on an exercise with 3 ammo pouches(full of sandwiches),6 water bottles, a chest rig and camelback that the problems start.

    And then you have the people who suggest that their NCOs are not teaching the correct layout because they saw a post on www.military.com by some Former Legionaire who swore by carrying all his kit in a dunnes stores bag with a carrying handle around each of his ears...

    I kid you not.

    Do whatever your unit tells you.

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    Id just like to show up for an exercise with webbing other then 58 pattern...

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    If everyone else is using 58,whats the point?

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    From the aforementioned search:

    What to carry in your smock? (includes CEMO & CEFO)

    From Connect in Feb 2004, aimed at PDF Std NCOs Course
    http://www.military.ie/images/conne...n_the_field.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowjacket
    Any NCO doing that will be committing an offence of passing on restricted information, and hopefully wouldn't be that stupid.

    Get official information through official channels. This board is certainly not for organising the obtaining of improper information.

    Let this be the end of it..please?

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    The suggested ARW selection course kit list (published in Connect Oct 2003) lists the following:

    Smock:
    Top Left Pocket: Chinagraph pencils, compass, tac-aid, torch, waterproof markers, whistle.
    Bottom Left Pocket: Bush hat, fingerless gloves.
    Left Arm Pocket: FFD*.
    Bottom Right Pocket: Laminated map, tissues*.
    Top Right Pocket: Survival tin, high-carb food*, lighter*, spoon.

    Bergen:
    Outside Top Pocket: high-carb food*.
    Inside Top Pocket: 2 bungees, 6 tent pegs, hygiene kit*, toothbrush*, toothpaste*, medi-wipes*.
    Under The Lid: Roll mat.
    Main Pack (packed in order of priority):
    • (Top) 2 litres of water, 24 hour rations*.
    • (Middle) 2 pairs of socks*, 1 pair of jocks*, 1 pair of gore-tex socks*, 1 light combat trousers*.
    • (Bottom) Basha, sleeping bag*, bivvy bag*, heavy-duty waterproof bag.

    Left Rocket Pouch: Fleece jacket*, Norge*, Thermal top*, Thermal bottom*, Waterproof jacket*, Waterproof trousers*.
    Right Rocket Pouch: First-aid kit*, 1 pair of socks*, Peltors*, Model aid kit*, 24 hours rations*, 2 sandbags.
    Front Pocket: Entrenching tool.

    Belt Order:
    Taped to left side of yoke: FFD*.
    Left Ammo Pouch: 4 magazines.
    Waterbottle Pouch: Water bottle.
    Bayonet Holder: Bayonet.
    Utility Pouch: 24 hour rations*, hexi cooker & tabs*, metal mug, spoon.
    Utility Pouch: Gloves*, wool hat*, neck scarf*.
    Utility Pouch: All weather matches*, cam cream, forest goggles, gaffa tape, mozzie net*, bug spray, para cord, seccateurs, space blanket*, spare batteries*, spare lighter*, puri-tabs*, weapon cleaning kit.
    Waterbottle Pouch: Water bottle.
    Right Ammo Pouch: 4 magazines.

    Other Kit Listed:
    Personal Knife: Swiss army or multi-tool type.
    Pace Counter.
    Helmet.

    * = in a zip-locked bag.
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