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    Yeah Goldie but I think they were for any attrition PC-9's that may be required.

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    Didnt realise the Gardai had ordered a 3rd Helicopter?

    Is this true?

    Is it another Eurocopter EC135?
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    The Garda Síochána currently operate two helicopters as part of the Garda Air Support Unit (GASU). These are an AS355N Squirrel Helicopter (operational since 1997) and an EC 135 Helicopter (operational since Feb. 2003). The decision to purchase the original EC 135 helicopter was made following a tender competition which allowed the Gardaí choose from amongst competing suppliers for the product which best met their technical requirements rather than standardisation with either their existing helicopter or indeed the Air Corps fleet.

    In February 2005 the Garda Síochána sought approval to replace the Squirrel Helicopter with a second EC135, based on a number of factors, in particular, commonality of aircraft type, general arrangements in helicopter management, personnel training, maintenance, auto-pilot facility, optimum resale period, etc.

    A Prior Indicative Notice (PIN) alerting the market that the Garda Síochána intended to acquire a new EC 135 T2 Helicopter was published in the Official Journal of the EU on the 21st April, 2005 and an RFT for the "supply and delivery of a new Eurocopter EC 135 T2 Helicopter with McAlpine (MHL) Police Role Equipment Fit to An Garda Síochána" was placed on the e-tenders website on Tuesday 14th June with a closing date for receipt of tenders of 9th August.

    Following the completion of the tendering process the contract was awarded to McAlpines Helicopters Ltd., As part of the payment schedule for the purchase of the helicopter a down payment was made to McAlpine Helicopters Ltd before the end of 2005. A supplementary estimate was introduced by the Minister for 2005 specifically for this purpose. In the 2006 estimates €5.9m was reserved for the purchase of the EC135 and at that stage it was anticipated that the it would be delivered to the Garda Air Support Unit by the end of 2006. Construction of the aircraft took place at the Eurocopter manufacturing factory in Donnauworth in Germany and the new helicopter which is c/n 478 left the Eurocopter facility on the 4th May bound for the McAlpine Helicopter Ltd. facility in Oxford where the fitting out of the Police Role Equipment is taking place.

    She is currently registered G-CECT and due to become ‘272’ in Air corps service. The two existing Air Corps EC-135s are 270’ (c/n 0431). and ‘271’ (c/n 0425). Originally the the first two AW139s were expected to become '272' and '273' but '272' was reserved for the GASU EC-135 and '273' has been reserved for a possible future EC-135 either for the Air Corps or GAZU. 274’ (c/n 31048), and ‘275’ (c/n 31059) are the recently delivered AW139s with '276' and 277 being the next two due around April.

    The GAZU EC-135 due at the end of 2006 is not now expected until May and the existing Squirrel will be sold off when she becomes operational. In fitting out the EC-135 the Garda Síochána has decided to take the opportunity to avail of the latest technology versions of equipment which are only becoming available from suppliers for Police Helicopters. These factors have resulted in a delay in delivery. However, a subsequent retrofit would cause considerable operational down time and expense should the opportunities not have been availed of at this time.

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    Is that true that they will be selling off the Squirrel? Is it single or twin?

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    Read in Air Forces Monthly that the second GASU EC135 was delivered to Baldonnell in November. Seems the Garda versions have different engines to the Air Corps ones - any know why?
    Last edited by FMolloy; 31st December 2007 at 13:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyrider View Post
    Seems the Garda versions have different engines to the Air Corps ones - any know why?
    I'd say it's because the Air Corp had no input into the decision making process and the Garda authorities aren't concerned with parts commonality.
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    The first EC135 used by the GASU had a T1 engine, it was later upgraded to T2. The Gardai Bought their second EC135 long before the Army decided to buy their P2 models(2005). They stuck with the T2 for parts commonality between the Garda Fleet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyinginireland View Post
    She is currently registered G-CECT and due to become ‘272’ in Air corps service.
    Still registered to EUROCOPTER UK LTD according to the CAA.

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    do aer corp pilots fly them. and how does this work out.. ie.. aid to civil power.. week on week off etc..

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    Careful GR... pedants are about.
    The aircraft are flown by Air Corps Pilot with a garda crew of 2 observers.
    Last edited by FMolloy; 31st December 2007 at 15:27.

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    The GASU aircraft are available 24 hours a day, how they roster the staff is operational info & won't be discussed here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FMolloy View Post
    The GASU aircraft are available 24 hours a day, how they roster the staff is operational info & won't be discussed here.
    funny you say that the programme on rte gave more info did you see it???

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    [QUOTE=Goldie fish;190437]The Gardai Bought their second EC135 long before the Army decided to buy their P2 models(2005).
    Thought that it was the Air Corps who operated them.

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    Hi there
    I doubt if the Garda Commissioner actually gives a flying .... what's under the bonnet as long as it stays running, responds to the push of a button and is available...in a lot of cases, engine sub-models differ only by the accessories, ie, genes, pumps and so on, attached to them.the basic core of the engine is probably the same so there would be a high degree of commonality.The gardai are more concerned about their dedicated equipment on board than anything else.It could be in a Transit van for all they really care, as long as it flies on demand.
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    Thing is GTTC, Air Corps EC135s are powered by P&W engines, while GASU models are Turbomeca.

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    Well then, as per, I stand corrected.begs the question, which engine is better? Was the old P and W not up to snuff for heavy lifting?
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    Wouldn't you think if there's only going to be four of them altogether operated out of Baldonnell it would make more sense to have the four the same, even if there is some little plus one way or another for the different engines?

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    Also differences in how the aircraft are operated by the pilot due to sutble but important differences in the FADEC systems.
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    are the garda helicopters still serviced by a different (privately contracted) tech crew?

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    So even though the Garda helicopters are flown by Air Corps pilots, someone in the Gardai knows more about which helicopter engine is best than the Air Corps? And do Air Corps pilots have to train separately for the GASU EC135s, seeing as there are different engine controls? Sounds like someone should have banged some heads together long ago and saved a lot of time and money.

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    The GASU machines should never have been the responsibility of the Air Corps. I don't think it makes any difference if they have different engines, because ultimately the Garda Siochana should have them operated independantly of the Air Corps, with their own Pilots.
    The only advantage is the aircraft can operate from a secure base, though with the increased airside security found in the larger airports in Ireland, I don't think this advantage is unique to the don any more.

    Remember the Gardai and the Air Corps have completely different requirements for their aircraft, and their usage. A "Jack of all trades" wouldnt work, in the same way as Giving the Gardai Eithne to use as the Garda boat would be less than successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden rivet View Post
    funny you say that the programme on rte gave more info did you see it???
    I couldn't give a monkey's what was said on RTE, we're not discussing operational info & that's that.
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    Hi there
    FMs point about garda flight/crewing rosters is, naturally, a secret for obvious reasons.The maintenance is carried out by civil contractors, which is not a secret.Bear in mind that UK police helicopters and aircraft have been attacked and damaged at their supposedly secure bases.The crims have a vested interest in having the choppers grounded, either by direct action or even by bad weather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneToTheCanner View Post
    Bear in mind that UK police helicopters and aircraft have been attacked and damaged at their supposedly secure bases.The crims have a vested interest in having the choppers grounded, either by direct action or even by bad weather.
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    Really? When was that!. I have a vested interest in Police affiars but cannot recall any such incidents. If you have any links etc, i'd be glad to read them.

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