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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostWould it not be easier to put the Coast Guard, and the Air Corps maritime assets under the control of the Naval service, who already have almost 70 years expertise in the area, compared to a Coast Guard who as yet have no ships, no aircraft and management made up of former members of the Naval service?
Your suggestion means little more than repainting the grey ships red and white.
Originally posted by DeV View PostIt may consolidate the mission but not the cost.
Christ, take it a step further, re-instigate the drydock in the basin, & drydock all govt vessels there. Cork Dockyard doesn't look like it has long left!!
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Originally posted by Dogwatch View PostChrist, take it a step further, re-instigate the drydock in the basin, & drydock all govt vessels there. Cork Dockyard doesn't look like it has long left!!
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by Dogwatch View PostWould have to agree with Goldie. They are the only agency in the maritime sphere in Ireland with the support & maintenance infrastructure to maintain a fleet. All other services contract in the maintenance & support. That's where the long term cost is.
As per Dev's comment ref costs, it would of course consolidate costs, you would be merging numerous command & control structures, along with the contracted maintenance by the smallers orgs & the maintenance facility & staff of the dockyard in the NS under one aegis. That is exactly what VFM should be to a country.
Christ, take it a step further, re-instigate the drydock in the basin, & drydock all govt vessels there. Cork Dockyard doesn't look like it has long left!!
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Originally posted by DeV View PostAbsolutely..... but the same argument says the AC should keep the CASAs.
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Originally posted by Dogwatch View PostHow would CG man this? Bareboat charter with own crew or have a contractor provide everything? How about CG vessel with NS crew?Don't spit in my Bouillabaisse .
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Originally posted by Dogwatch View PostVery valid point & would contend that the experts there should be in charge of the maint of same. The location & positioning of MPAs is an argument going back a long while, don't think we'll solve it here also.
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Originally posted by jack nastyface View PostValid points all round. But mine is, the country is really too small for a Navy, but we have the ideal beginnings of a very efficent Coastguard.If everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet.And put in a (dark) blue suit.
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Originally posted by Goldie fish View PostThe country is not too small for ONE navy. It is too small for all the navies we have here. Everything Government owned on water should be managed from Haulbowline. The economies of scale should make it a no-brainer. Instead we have the different organisations with often common purposes are all fighting for the small budget that is available each year. That is not to say the people in the organisations are not able to do their job, but the management structures often replicate that in other agencies.
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Originally posted by chrisr View PostTimes & Indo are calling our new RiB order as 'ships'. Classic error from landlubbers. However the PfG requires us to reconsider Irelands ETV needs and report in 2012.
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Originally posted by danno View PostQuite remarkable given that in the 2011 annual report of the UK Coastguard confirming that it can no longer justify the cost of ETV cover and will save £10M annually by discontinuing it.If the UK which has much more traffic in its waters cannot justify such a service then waste of time reconsidering it here.
What price do you put on maritime safety? How much does the environmental cleanup cost when a car ferry collides with a tanker adrift in the Dover straits?
Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.
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Fair enough but the MCA have probably done an in depth risk/return study which allowed its decision.It may well be that there are plenty of tugs/anchor crankers in the UK that can be deployed and it may well be that the stricken ship is in a irretreivable situation regardless of the availability of help.The whiff of a Lloyds open contract may well be the best type of support needed.
Over here a full time ETV managed by whoever would not be affordable,the CIL ship is as good as it gets,nothing stopping the NS getting a ETV,arming it and using for general patrols with the towing/salvage contingency capability being there when needed.
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Algerian ETV
Currently alongside Faslane, Scotland.
Algeria
In 2010 Algeria has ordered three tug boats of the Bourbon class which is already in use in the French harbours of Brest and Cherbourg. The ships have been built by STX OSV in Norway and STX Tulcea in Romania. A first vessel El Moundjid was ready for delivery in December 2011, the two others are scheduled for delivery in June and September 2012.
With a bollard pull of 200 tons and a speed of 20 knots (37 km/h; 23 mph), the Algerian ETVs are an improved version of the French Bourbon class. They will be based in Oran and Skikda. By acquiring these three ships, Algeria has become the leading Mediterranean nation in terms of marine salvage.
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