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  • Is this vessel a sister ship of Union Star which was lost many moons ago along with the Penley lifeboat?

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    • Originally posted by Helihead View Post
      Is this vessel a sister ship of Union Star which was lost many moons ago along with the Penley lifeboat?
      One and the same.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
        Happened to come accross on another website yesterday, four times expert groups have been engaged by the government, since 1996, to report on the need for an ETV. Each time the experts say YES, ASAP. Each time the government say "hmm, can you check again?"
        Ah but sure why do something useful with money when it could be paid to a consultant!

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        • Originally posted by DeV View Post
          Ah but sure why do something useful with money when it could be paid to a consultant!
          Or four.
          The cost of consultations would have the ship built at this stage.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • Can somebody list a few instances when a State funded ETV would have made a decisive diff to the outcome of given marine incidents over the last 10 yrs ,there being no other comparable asset available whatsoever.

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            • Originally posted by danno View Post
              Can somebody list a few instances when a State funded ETV would have made a decisive diff to the outcome of given marine incidents over the last 10 yrs ,there being no other comparable asset available whatsoever.
              Kowloon bridge, Yarrowanga, recent tanker place of refuge request off Donegal (dodged the bullit there), and two cargo incidents off Kerry. All close shaves for a major incident. You can drive without a seatbelt all your life and never have an accident; or even have an accident and the wearing of the belt would have made no difference. But would you drive without a seatbelt???

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              • K B and the Y happened over 20 yrs ago.Certainly there have been close shaves since but did the lack of a state funded ETV worsen the scenarios concerned.In most instances the persons concerned either fend for themselves or receive the critical assistance from non state assets.

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                • Originally posted by danno View Post
                  K B and the Y happened over 20 yrs ago.Certainly there have been close shaves since but did the lack of a state funded ETV worsen the scenarios concerned.In most instances the persons concerned either fend for themselves or receive the critical assistance from non state assets.
                  Or get towed by unsuitable merchant or naval vessels, not equipped to combat pollution. We have been Lucky, pure and simple. There have been incidents in neighbouring waters that could easily have been in ours, were the wind blowing another way. Is it better to wait till another Torrey Canyon before we say "you know, maybe an ETV is a good idea?" Or do we learn from others?


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • The T.C had run aground under its own steam,all the ETVs possible to muster would n ot have mattered.
                    An ETV is not a bad thing in its own right,the reality is that we cannot afford a stand alone one on station waiting for a supertanker to run aground off our coast.Integrating a ETv into the NS flotilla for general patrolling may poss represent the best compromise.

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                    • Originally posted by danno View Post
                      The T.C had run aground under its own steam,all the ETVs possible to muster would n ot have mattered.
                      An ETV is not a bad thing in its own right,the reality is that we cannot afford a stand alone one on station waiting for a supertanker to run aground off our coast.Integrating a ETv into the NS flotilla for general patrolling may poss represent the best compromise.
                      Definitely. I have always suggested that a CPV replacement would be an EPV, which could continue doing the Inshore work the CPVs do, when not required for towage. The UK model, of a Privately owned ETV on standby at strategic locations, did not prove to be a cost effective option.


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                      • Found this:



                        Emergency Towing Vessel, (ETV)Costs
                        For a contract for ETV services to meet value for money, a minimum five-year contract period would be required. For a single ETV contract, costs would be in the region of €3.5m p.a. It may be feasible to share costs under a joint agreement with the UK.

                        Review of Position
                        At October, 2006, IRCG is reviewing its position on the question of provision of an ETV facility and will report to senior management in the Department, (of Transport, since 01 Jan., 2006).

                        Background In 1998, the then Minister for the Marine and Natural Resources decided that the need for ETV capacity to deal with major threats to the Irish coast having regard to the risk of major oil pollution as a result of accidents involving oil tankers or other large vessels should be assessed. The actual assessment carried out the risk of such pollution, ascertained the means by which Ireland might obtain an ETV capacity, the costs involved and the means of financing.

                        Irish marine and coastal resources, upon which regional economies and communities are largely dependent, are at risk of major (and possibly catastrophic) damage in the event of a major pollution incident.

                        Study by Nautical Enterprise Centre In 1999, the Department commissioned a study, on the need for an Irish Emergency Towing Vessel, which was published. The Study recommended that:
                        •an ETV should be deployed to allow Ireland to proactively protect its coastal and marine resources and processes from the consequences of major oil pollution and vessel strandings;
                        •the Marine Safety Information Services should be extended to incorporate the functions of a Vessel Traffic Management Information Service (VTMIS) as a means of monitoring vessel movements around the coast; and,
                        •the value of the Irish marine and coastal resource is such that all possible steps must be taken to protect the livelihoods of local people and communities, local unique and special ecosystems and environments from the effects of a major pollution incident, it being estimated that 70% of Europe’s tanker trade passes within 200 miles of Ireland’s South Coast.

                        In May, 2000, Government:
                        •accepted in principle the findings of the Study;
                        •agreed that the Department consult with certain other Departments to assess and identify the most cost effective means by which Ireland would acquire an ETV service and related matters; and,
                        •agreed that negotiations commence with the UK on the possible sharing of an ETV for the North Channel and the Irish Sea.


                        Various options have been considered for the acquisition of an ETV, including a Public Private Partnership and a leasing agreement. However, the purchase or leasing of an ETV has not to date proceeded (Jan., 2008), due to, among other issues, budgetary constraints.


                        Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                        • The Captain involved in the Ferry incident has had his case passed to the Crown (Higher) Court.

                          So its looking like he could do time for this.

                          A ship's captain charged with being under the influence of alcohol could face as two-year sentence as his case goes to the Crown Court.
                          'History is a vast early warning system'. Norman Cousins

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                          • Are marine captains screened for alcohol regularly as air pass pilots are.

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                            • Originally posted by danno View Post
                              Are marine captains screened for alcohol regularly as air pass pilots are.
                              I think Dept of Marine notice 6 of 2012 answers that question.
                              Limits for blood alcohol level or alcohol in the breath have not yet been implemented in Irish legislation


                              Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                              • Thats for where their is n alleged offence etc,what I an referring to is the renewal of ticket whereby the candidates are blood sampled to see if they have been abusing alcohol by reference to raised level of blood enzymes indicitive of high alcohol intake,ie going off the sauce for a few days before test will not suffice to suppress the accumulated evidence.This is std op for pilots.

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