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    ye Goldie very cramped to me the ratings mess on the peacocks is bigger which would be hard to believe

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    From Program for government(very last page).

    Safety at sea and decent working conditions must underpin the development of the fisheries
    sector. We will explore the provision of an emergency towing vessel for the Coastguard.

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    Another lucrative Coastguard contract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by easyrider View Post
    Another lucrative Coastguard contract?
    Maybe they can lease the KTL vessels when the MCA ETV contract ends very soon.

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    would be nice if they could spell Coast Guard

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    Looks fine to me chris.

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    Coastguard as one word means subject to HM Crown. Have had a lot levied against the CG but not that!

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    Maybe it will save cost to have the former HM Coastguard ETV operating with our "Coast Guard"? No need to repaint the hull to make a space between the words on the side?

    Like you had to do when it changed from IMES....
    It's a touch pedantic if you don't mind me saying so. Like the Difference between Navy and Naval service. As long as the job gets done, who cares what it's called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Maybe it will save cost to have the former HM Coastguard ETV operating with our "Coast Guard"? No need to repaint the hull to make a space between the words on the side?

    Like you had to do when it changed from IMES....
    It's a touch pedantic if you don't mind me saying so. Like the Difference between Navy and Naval service. As long as the job gets done, who cares what it's called.
    Looks like it could do with a coat of paint!

    If wiki is correct, the company may just keep them?

    Would it be possible to get the bollard tow capability as part of the EPV?
    Last edited by DeV; 8th March 2011 at 17:33.

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    It's an MOU rather than a contract at the moment.

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    Editted my post just read what wiki says about it

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    Sadly our successive governments have never woken up to the fact that we are an island nation. Thats what we get for electing bogmen.

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    To get the bollard pull required on an EPV then you don't have an EPV any more, you have an ETV.

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    How about replacing an aging OPV/CPV with a ETV?

    It could be equipped to preform all the NS roles with possibly 76mm.

    http://www.bonnagreement.org/eng/doc...y%20towing.pdf (we signed up to this in 2001!)

    Although most nations seem to contract it out and/or enter agreements with their neighbours!

    http://www.bonnagreement.org/eng/htm...ganisation.htm

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    It's an option I have suggested in the past, however at present it is not a priority for the Naval service, and the Garda Cósta seem keen to retain it in their AO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorenco View Post
    Sadly our successive governments have never woken up to the fact that we are an island nation. Thats what we get for electing bogmen.
    We are an Island? When did this happen?
    At least 70% of the current government realise there is sea surrounding the island. That's why the mention of ETV made it into the program for government. Not sure about the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Garda Cósta seem keen to retain it in their AO.
    I'd say if it is it will be contracted out. Which may not be a bad thing as you'd probably need 2 vessels to provide 365/24/7 capability?!

    Pollution control is part of IRCG's job, but assisting is part of the NS's job.

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    It was always and will always be the NS job until the IRCG get their act together and have assets capable of responding.

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    the only issue here is bollard pull and the training and experience to use it. Whether NS or contracted is at this point a matter of value for money and maximum utility of the vessel across the broad range of generic CG functions. There are many many models that are possible from a NS/CG vessel to a contracted vessel and towing master crewed in part by the NS to full contracting and crewing. I know which one would be best for both services. or else you obtain the BP in industry by incentivisation and up the preventative and mitigation measures.

    PS an organisations name is quite important to it as I assume yours is - unless you dont like it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisr View Post
    I know which one would be best for both services
    Whats the best option and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisr View Post
    PS an organisations name is quite important to it as I assume yours is - unless you dont like it?
    Mine has changed numerous times over the years, but i still answer the phone the way I did from day one and nobody gets confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Whats the best option and why?

    Leased by the IRCG and operated by the NS to excecute all their designated functions within pre-defined operational boundaries with ship-rider towing master. In some ways similar to the Sligo leased heli idea only with a full NS remit and no back tracking on operational committments.
    Last edited by chrisr; 11th March 2011 at 16:00.

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    It would be an interesting option for CPV replacements, but surely you need more than just a ship rider towing master? A highly experienced heavy towing crew is vital, as you would be operating usually in the worst of conditions. Most anchor cranker crews have learnt the ropes (literally) on low risk manouvering jobs, and not trying to prevent a supertanker from ploughing into Skellig Michael.

    You either have a fully trained crew, or none at all. Surely history has told us that being jack of all trades, and master of none, only leads to tragedy.

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    Maybe some temp commissions to upskill would deal with this.

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    The Norwegian Coast Guard have a number of ships that mostly do fishery protection but can also do emergency towing - how do they man/train their crews?

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