Irish Steel Mill

[Sarsfield]

IMHO I think this is very, very short sighted. While no-one has a crystal ball, I believe over time the Naval Service will evolve into the Navy [ and with the Air Force become equal partners to the Army] with military ships, such as frigates, RAS, LPD, MCM etc which will require extra berthage. Crews and shore support staff will require relevant buildings and accommodation . The Naval Headquarters and future facilities will eventually come to play a major role in the defense of Western Europe. Rant over, medication taking effect.

[Sparky42]

IMHO I think this is very, very short sighted. While no-one has a crystal ball, I believe over time the Naval Service will evolve into the Navy [ and with the Air Force become equal partners to the Army] with military ships, such as frigates, RAS, LPD, MCM etc which will require extra berthage. Crews and shore support staff will require relevant buildings and accommodation . The Naval Headquarters and future facilities will eventually come to play a major role in the defense of Western Europe. Rant over, medication taking effect.

Even with that, if the view is that digging for foundations risks more contamination getting exposed it's not going to be the site for new construction (nor should it be).

[X-RayOne]

So....in true IMO tradition of taking threads off on tangents.......

......if the "Irish Navy" is born tomorrow, with a min of, say 10, ships and all extras required (dry dock that's been discussed on other threads, C3, training facilities, accomodation, etc.) to have a fully self contained, self sufficient base where is it going to live???

Ideally should be free from civil co-location or dependence on shared facilities also(unless it has priority access to all assets)!

Would Haulbowline be redundant or would the "Irish Navy" be in the property market????

[na grohmiti]

With a certain level of expansion then the need for a second base at the other end of the Island would to me be an obvious need.

[ibenji]

With a certain level of expansion then the need for a second base at the other end of the Island would to me be an obvious need.

Can't see why one can't build on the remediated east tip. Cork county councils project team visited similar waste steel sites in wales in 2015 where they were in the process of building houses and commercial industrial estates on top of the remediated sites.

[hptmurphy]

With a certain level of expansion then the need for a second base at the other end of the Island would to me be an obvious need.

Define 'other end of the island' please..

[DeV]

Can't see why one can't build on the remediated east tip. Cork county councils project team visited similar waste steel sites in wales in 2015 where they were in the process of building houses and commercial industrial estates on top of the remediated sites.

Doesn't mean it is the right thing to do

[ibenji]

Doesn't mean it is the right thing to do

I agree with you there. Just pointing out the possibility that with an engineered raft foundation solution it is possible to build any most types of buildings. Thought the space would be more suitable for stores buildings for the navy rather than a public park given how confined the existing set up is at the basin and how far away the actual base is

[na grohmiti]

Define 'other end of the island' please..

Donegal

[na grohmiti]

Can't see why one can't build on the remediated east tip. Cork county councils project team visited similar waste steel sites in wales in 2015 where they were in the process of building houses and commercial industrial estates on top of the remediated sites.

After how many years? That is the important factor. For haulbowline green space is the only option for now. Once the green space has matured then maybe you could reconsider, maybe say 30 years time.

[golden rivet]

After how many years? That is the important factor. For haulbowline green space is the only option for now. Once the green space has matured then maybe you could reconsider, maybe say 30 years time.

.. who would live there ,, survey done on building in ringaskiddy came to nothing as not many would move there.. as for 30 years add a good few 0000 to that ,, and yes it once was used for commercial waste from the island houses..navy lads collected it in trailers and dumped it down there,, it was then covered in slag and smouldered away merryily for days ..

[DeV]

Basin wise the plan (subject to funding and completion of ISPAT works) is:

2 berths for P60s on the west wall of the basin
2 berths for P60s in Graving Dock (west and east sides offset fore and aft)
Possible recommissioning of Spencer Jetty



What restricts the use of the tip?
You can't break through the capping layer

[A/TEL]

Basin wise the plan (subject to funding and completion of ISPAT works) is:

2 berths for P60s on the west wall of the basin
2 berths for P60s in Graving Dock (west and east sides offset fore and aft)
Possible recommissioning of Spencer Jetty



What restricts the use of the tip?
You can't break through the capping layer

Its the P50s that are planned to use the old graving dock afaik

[DeV]

Its the P50s that are planned to use the old graving dock afaik

Definitely P60s

[na grohmiti]

In my opinion, Spencer is only useful as a short term berth, a lay by while waiting for the Oil wharf to clear or even visiting vessels. Long term it restricts the movement in and out of the basin.
Priority in my opinion though is get the sailing club out of the basin to a marina of their own, south of the dining hall, near the camber maybe. They take up too much useful space.
Imagine if a modified car club decided to take up residence outside Transport workshops? Same thing. No military purpose whatsoever. There is a pontoon for the NSR boats.