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  • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post

    Great photo.
    Indeed.Excuse my ignorance(and no,I am not going back through every post)but is she not missing something significant up front? What's the story?
    "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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    • Originally posted by apod View Post
      Indeed.Excuse my ignorance(and no,I am not going back through every post)but is she not missing something significant up front? What's the story?
      I'm not sure if one of these would suit it


      But if you mean the 76mm. I believe it has been said it will be installed after delivery.
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      • Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
        I'm putting it down to either an error on AIS or else you are looking at the track of one of her Rhibs, which seem to be hovering around Ilfracombe. (P64A MMSI 111111642).

        George Bernard Shaw is MMSI 250004884 and is doing laps of Lundy.
        Youre spot on sir, i WAS looking at p64a thinking it was the real thing! thanks.

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        • Originally posted by CTU View Post
          I'm not sure if one of these would suit it


          But if you mean the 76mm. I believe it has been said it will be installed after delivery.
          I dunno.The big white Bird might be appropriate.Albatrosses and all that. But Yeah It was the 76 I was on about.Unusual that all her sister ships had them fitted prior to delivery.
          "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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          • Originally posted by apod View Post
            I dunno.The big white Bird might be appropriate.Albatrosses and all that. But Yeah It was the 76 I was on about.Unusual that all her sister ships had them fitted prior to delivery.
            Well given the difference in the contracts, ie Shaw not being planned could that be a factor?

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            • Also, they were not fitted to P51 or P52 until after delivery. It is not that unusual, and the turret is an easy fit, on a suitably prepared ship.

              Vessel returned from trials a few hours ago, and someone was ready to catch her arrival.

              Last edited by na grohmiti; 17 July 2018, 00:55.
              For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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              • [QUOTE=na grohmit�;461216]Also, they were not fitted to P51 or P52 until after delivery. It is not that unusual, and the turret is an easy fit, on a suitably prepared ship.

                To fit a gun complete with appended supply and loading system requires an expert team to transpose data from the Ships reference Gyro through the Decks to the Gun ring flange. The gun has to be installed to an exact plane parallel to the ship's horizontal and be on the 0/180 fore and aft line. The Gun ring is machined to the plane, as found , and the fore and aft line is etched in on the same ring.If it was me this would all be done in dock before leaving the UK. The question therefore is the ship suitably prepared?
                Last edited by ancientmariner; 17 July 2018, 15:28.

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                • [QUOTE=ancientmariner;461222]
                  Originally posted by na grohmit� View Post
                  Also, they were not fitted to P51 or P52 until after delivery. It is not that unusual, and the turret is an easy fit, on a suitably prepared ship.

                  To fit a gun complete with appended supply and loading system requires an expert team to transpose data from the Ships reference Gyro through the Decks to the Gun ring flange. The gun has to be installed to an exact plane parallel to the ship's horizontal and be on the 0/180 fore and aft line. The Gun ring is machined to the plane, as found , and the fore and aft line is etched in on the same ring.If it was me this would all be done in dock before leaving the UK. The question therefore is the ship suitably prepared?
                  They whip them in and out on a regular basis in the Dockyard so the expertise is there to be used. Once the builders has met the spec with their bit, mounting the turret shouldn't be a problem. We have done it before!
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                  • [QUOTE=hptmurphy;461225]
                    Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post

                    They whip them in and out on a regular basis in the Dockyard so the expertise is there to be used. Once the builders has met the spec with their bit, mounting the turret shouldn't be a problem. We have done it before!
                    I'm looking forward to trying to get some photo's of it when it happens.

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                    • [QUOTE=Sparky42;461230]
                      Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post

                      I'm looking forward to trying to get some photo's of it when it happens.
                      There used to be photos on the NS facebook page of them doing it in the past (and removing the gun by road to Collins Barracks for Ord to have a proper look at it with their magic sticks.)
                      With regards to
                      To fit a gun complete with appended supply and loading system
                      Unlike other systems the OTO melara is a self contained system. Hoist and gun are one, requiring very little human interaction once primed. Load it up from the RU locker beforehand and then fire away from the bridge. Installation away from build is no different to fitting any other mechanical equipment aboard ship after build. You can be pretty sure that engineers from OTO Melara have been in place already making sure the ship is properly prepared for installation.
                      As I said, Roisin and Niamh were both delivered without their main gun, and there was no major issues. In practice, the main gin will go through a wide range of pre firing tests after delivery to make sure it is safe, before being certified. With P61, 62 and 63, this was up to 12 months after commissioning.
                      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                      • [QUOTE=na grohmit�;461239]
                        Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post

                        There used to be photos on the NS facebook page of them doing it in the past (and removing the gun by road to Collins Barracks for Ord to have a proper look at it with their magic sticks.)
                        With regards to
                        Unlike other systems the OTO melara is a self contained system. Hoist and gun are one, requiring very little human interaction once primed. Load it up from the RU locker beforehand and then fire away from the bridge. Installation away from build is no different to fitting any other mechanical equipment aboard ship after build. You can be pretty sure that engineers from OTO Melara have been in place already making sure the ship is properly prepared for installation.
                        As I said, Roisin and Niamh were both delivered without their main gun, and there was no major issues. In practice, the main gin will go through a wide range of pre firing tests after delivery to make sure it is safe, before being certified. With P61, 62 and 63, this was up to 12 months after commissioning.
                        NS has its own Ord section. Nothing goes to Collins Barracks, as Army Ord are not 76mm qualified.

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                        • Why did it go to Collins so? Was a while back and I dont have bookface any more, so I can't find it.
                          Or maybe it went from the Dockyard in Cobh and they didn't want to risk taking the ferry.
                          For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                          • Pictures are of Roisins gun being remounted after travelling from Haulbowline to Rushbrooke by road... hence the confusion ..I think

                            They are in Irish Naval Service Photo Section Page. Quite comprehensiveClick image for larger version

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                            Last edited by hptmurphy; 17 July 2018, 22:54.
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                            • Yeah I remember the photos of it going under the bridge under escort, hope the road clearance is still good.

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                              • According to the Navy's Facebook page it's September for Shaw:
                                Irish Naval Service, Cobh, Ireland. 53,956 likes · 656 talking about this · 287 were here. The Naval Service is the State's Principal Seagoing Agency.

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