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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    I remember Roisin had a number of problems after delivery with the mounting of the Fire Control unit. (In addition to issues with Bilge keel falling off).
    When Niamh arrived the Fire control unit was mounted differently to Roisin. Niamh was delivered with armament, I think.
    According to the link, Niamh wasn’t fitted to armament (DoD was suggesting Deirdre’s 40mm)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    According to the link, Niamh wasn’t fitted to armament (DoD was suggesting Deirdre’s 40mm)
    If we stuck to what is true or gave an opinion on actual facts, we would avoid building up presumptions OR creating " Fake news/reporting ". Fact is all ships P 50 to P 62 were fitted somewhere with a 76 mm main armament. As regards GBS we have to wait and see.
    Bilge keels falling off ships may have been an instance of weld failure requiring re-tacking to a better standard or was a bilge keel completely missing as implied ? P 50 was severely tested in October 2004 while attempting to close Canadian SSK Chicoutimi running on the surface NW of Co. Mayo in the aftermath of an internal fire. P 50 had some damage and had to break off from her part in the required assistance. Her problems emanated from her attempt to proceed at speeds or courses beyond her seakeeping capabilities. The incident would have been a first live test of capability in storm force aftermath. Most ships in severe gales are ship minding , on non-destructive courses, with speed adjusted to maintain a safe response to Rudder (s).

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    It COULD be that a new gun is to be fitted and there MIGHT be a contractual disagreement with otto re the cost of sending technicians over to install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    Interesting. It looks like the opening for a through deck gun system is in place, with a capping cover to keep out the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    Interesting. It looks like the opening for a through deck gun system is in place, with a capping cover to keep out the weather.
    Can’t find the pic of the NS 76mm lift but here is a Danish one https://www.naval-technology.com/pro...tachment/fly4/

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    Quote Originally Posted by restless View Post
    The 76 appears to be missing? usually fitted when in the shed, see all photos of previous builds. or is there some optical illusion.
    Just had a look at the NS Facebook page, both JJ and WBY had their 76mm’s fitted for float out

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeV View Post
    Can’t find the pic of the NS 76mm lift but here is a Danish one https://www.naval-technology.com/pro...tachment/fly4/
    The picture is one of a gun system in transportable mode with stackable protection on the auto magazine/barbette below deck portion. The reason a quiet dock is required is to pass all of the lower structure through an opening in the deck just big enough and all lined up to match underdeck connections, and all surveyed in to the ships baseline and zeroed fore and aft.

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    It could be nothing more then a supply delay, if the shipyard needs it's assembly building and the ship in it is ready to float, then get it out and move on to the next project, Appledores fitting out area is a drying out berth, the weapon can go in while she is sitting comfortably on the mud.IMHO
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    I notice one of the Peacocks is minus its 76. Nice view of the basin there. Work continues on the east tip too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post


    I notice one of the Peacocks is minus its 76. Nice view of the basin there. Work continues on the east tip too.
    Why is the superstruchers ( gym) behind the main gun painted a lighter colour
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    Aerial identification perhaps? last time i was on board sam b the gym was housed near the stern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofa View Post
    Why is the superstruchers ( gym) behind the main gun painted a lighter colour
    Asthetics. It is the same colour as the rest of the ship, and itn't a deck.
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    The darker gray is deck area and the lighter shade is part of the superstructure .
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    Has there been any update on the fitting of the 76mm?

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    According to those in Devon, it is being fitted after when the ship is delivered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    According to those in Devon, it is being fitted after when the ship is delivered.
    Interesting, so the question remains I suppose is are we buying another unit or taking it from one of the Peacock's

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    My money is on taking it from the Peacock. You are going to be taking a crew from it anyway, may as well disarm it too. Their days are numbered. While they are still fine for purpose they were designed for, (Coastal patrol) the design was old in comparison to the P20s, and the design did not permit much modernisation.
    Long range Offshore patrol is the priority.
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    Ships armament

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparky42 View Post
    Interesting, so the question remains I suppose is are we buying another unit or taking it from one of the Peacock's
    There is a risible problem endemic in all our planning and specifications for naval ships, in that we seem to ignore telling the builder that the vessels will be armed requiring foundations and arcs of fire for a variety of weapons and main armament. There is an undercurrent within those providing capital to keep our ships at a suitable only for FP level with a little bit of ATCP fist fighting thrown in. The Naval side need to make developmental demands to provide an all round Naval capability,including filling the gap between the 76mm and 20mm armaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    There is a risible problem endemic in all our planning and specifications for naval ships, in that we seem to ignore telling the builder that the vessels will be armed requiring foundations and arcs of fire for a variety of weapons and main armament. There is an undercurrent within those providing capital to keep our ships at a suitable only for FP level with a little bit of ATCP fist fighting thrown in. The Naval side need to make developmental demands to provide an all round Naval capability,including filling the gap between the 76mm and 20mm armaments.
    Weapons are GFE

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancientmariner View Post
    There is a risible problem endemic in all our planning and specifications for naval ships, in that we seem to ignore telling the builder that the vessels will be armed requiring foundations and arcs of fire for a variety of weapons and main armament. There is an undercurrent within those providing capital to keep our ships at a suitable only for FP level with a little bit of ATCP fist fighting thrown in. The Naval side need to make developmental demands to provide an all round Naval capability,including filling the gap between the 76mm and 20mm armaments.
    There is an undercurrent within the NS senior ranks that would prefer a "simpler" system to arm the vessels instead of the relatively complex OTO Melara. When this is what commanders are thinking, is it any wonder the DoD are reluctant to provide for anything better? We should be glad that others saw sense and forced fitting the P60 with an OTO Melara instead of a low calibre autocannon, such as the Bofors 40mm, which is not as maintenance intensive to certain branches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    There is an undercurrent within the NS senior ranks that would prefer a "simpler" system to arm the vessels instead of the relatively complex OTO Melara. When this is what commanders are thinking, is it any wonder the DoD are reluctant to provide for anything better? We should be glad that others saw sense and forced fitting the P60 with an OTO Melara instead of a low calibre autocannon, such as the Bofors 40mm, which is not as maintenance intensive to certain branches.
    I do believe that DOD are reluctant, as they always have been in the" simpler camp". I do NOT believe that the command structure within the navy is as negative as you state as a fact. They were 100% behind the Eithne project and our first integrated Gun and FCS albeit Optronic with X-Band radar blind fire . So far 6 ships are replicating something similar but need a further step foward for modern threats.

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    The people resisting modern armament on naval vessels were not even cadets when Eithne was being built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by na grohmití View Post
    The people resisting modern armament on naval vessels were not even cadets when Eithne was being built.
    Following that hypothesis "These people" would be sub 40 years of age and would not have the final say. There is a doctrinal matter to be imbued in all Naval training that there are many skills and tools required to DEFEND AND PROTECT and must remain so unless the MISSION is changed and we revert to grey yacht club status.

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    We are very lucky for a change to have a FOCNS with an engineering background. He would be one of the few capable of silencing the naysayers, doing so when he held the appointment of OCNSC.
    Worth pointing out that the FOCNS was also a cadet while L.E. Eithne was being designed and built, earning his commission in 1983.
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