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  • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
    It is the public that pay the taxes that pays for the ships, that pays for the salaries of everyone who works on them. They may be in some peoples eye a pain in the ass but a visit below decks is one of the best ways to get interest in the navy. It is not about letting people wander as they please it is about a tour. Take a group of guys aboard any ship and what do they want to see.... the engine room, the bridge etc. All the DF needs to be more open to the public as it is the only way to keep the funding it has now and in the future.

    The NS is short of personnel, a open day would generate a lot of applications to say the least.
    I take it from this you have never been below decks on a OPV sized vessel and are ignorant to the physical restrictions involved.

    Top deck visits are even very restrictive in their nature.

    The NS is short of personnel, a open day would generate a lot of applications to say the least.
    Applications and vacancies are not the issue with huge panels and waiting periods, the problem being permission for intakes and retention. Read the posts on recruitment and retention and conditions.

    It is the public that pay the taxes that pays for the ships, that pays for the salaries of everyone who works on them.
    We also pay for the jails/prisons but have no reason to be there but actively support their continuation.
    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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    • The issue is retention

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      • Wonder if we could get a package deal from Singapore:

        1 Endurace class to replace LE Ethine
        2 Independence Class Littoral Mission Vessels to replace the Peacocks.
        http://www.navyrecognition.com/index...n-details.html

        Singapore are replacing their Fearless patrol vessels with the larger Independence class.

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        • Whats the unit cost?

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          • Originally posted by DeV View Post
            I was thinking more along the lines of crew personal items
            Is there much of problem with indigenous theft ; Blue on Blue?

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            • Originally posted by danno View Post
              Is there much of problem with indigenous theft ; Blue on Blue?
              No idea but when your living in a steel tub with 40 colleagues under military law for 3 weeks there may be a higher risk when you let 300+ civilians on board.

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              • Originally posted by danno View Post
                Whats the unit cost?
                The Endurance is about 200 million Sing Dollars, about €134m. No idea on the smaller ships.

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                • Theft from ships mates was a huge No No, I've only come across one serious thief and he did Digger as result of petty thefts. Yeah stuff, mainly bits of kit and irons get borrowed only to be found in someone else cabin at some point , but malicious theft from each other was more like unconditional borrowing.

                  The most unsual thing I had borrowed was a 'Visage' cassette tape, for the life of me there was no one else on the ship who had them as a taste in music , so I reckon someone had got pissed off with me playing it and 'deep sixed it'.

                  One evening as I walked back to the ship my cabin mate passed me, I complemented him on how well his jacket looked... his response being... 'Should do.. I found it in your locker..its yours!

                  And thats as bad as I remember it.
                  Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                  • Originally posted by Herald View Post
                    The Endurance is about 200 million Sing Dollars, about €134m. No idea on the smaller ships.
                    Do they do HP?
                    Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                    • Originally posted by danno View Post
                      Is there much of problem with indigenous theft ; Blue on Blue?
                      You can cope with most types on a ship, except liars and a thieves

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                      • Folks, below decks is where these men and women live.

                        While on patrol if you have been getting battered on sentinel for 8 or 9 day and the now rare occasion occurs that you get to pull into Dublin or Galway, the chaps & chapettes are looking for some downtime.

                        Most likely the ship will be going in for a reason in anycase a public event (guard of honour, official reception) and they will have to provide a honour guard or tour guides or if onboard that evening act as watiers etc.

                        While open to the public which is great they will act as tour guides to the upper decks for the general public and if they have friends, family or such they may organise discrete tours below decks now a days most likely a cup of coffee (in days past a bottle of beer).

                        The tours while they can be a pest are more often than not enjoyable (even if the guys says it pissed them off you can see the young gus pride in describing their work to the civilians) however it is still better to keep them on thé weather decks and the bridge.

                        If anyone on here is in the military, then a tour of a ship in haulbowline is only a phone call away to you.

                        On the point of theft.
                        Theft by civilians is very minimal risk, but there are sadly as we all know people who would rob the eye outta your head.
                        Theft amongst a crew is a vile, despicable act.
                        Tea Leaves are unless caught red handed with the stolen cash/items are very hard to bring charges against particular when it is just money.
                        They are often identified quickly and must be trapped slowly.

                        There is no need for thievery, if you are in need of anything from money to an alibi, your shipmates and in particular your cabin buddy will help you.
                        In any case from time immemorial beer, pornography, clothing (not underwear yikes), books, DVDs, kit, sports equipment are often viewed by your mates as more of a communal items than most civilians might appreciate.

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                        • Naval Capabilities inherent in Naval Forces

                          Originally posted by hptmurphy View Post
                          Do they do HP?
                          It might require a form of HP!
                          Any Navy needs to be able to achieve most of the attached list of capabilities

                          1. Carry out patrol, reconnaissance, and tactical surveillance of AOP Maritime.

                          2. Control allotted sea areas, routes, and commercial shipping activity.

                          3. Neutralise or deter hostile threats to own surface forces and support ground forces.

                          4. Counter against air, surface and subsurface threats to self and own adjacent units.

                          5. Counter terrorists attacks.

                          6.Protect own forces operational activities afloat and in landing/shore operations.

                          7. Engage in service support operations and humanitarian operations as required.

                          All replacement vessels must contribute to achieving these tasks over time, anything else lacks foresight in a conflict prevention era.

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                          • When is WBY due to start her sea trials, all going well when can we expect to see her delivered?

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                            • Originally posted by 25 pounder View Post
                              When is WBY due to start her sea trials, all going well when can we expect to see her delivered?


                              The patrol vessel LE William Butler Yeats is due to sail on her first shipyard trials on the 3/7 for 4 days ; she returns to the yard for final adjustments and will finally sail on acceptance trials on the 17.7 ; hopefully then handed over to the Irish Navy and will sail directly to her base in Cork



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                              • WBY doing 24 knots in bristol channel as i type!

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