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  • See on the Navy's Facebook page that the Keel for P64 has been laid:
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    • With the usual wailing from the cheap seats about how many social houses could be bought instead etc...
      For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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        This is prbably old hat to most on here but I only spotted it lately, wonder if it will /has been retrofitted to P50's?

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          Originally posted by danno View Post
          http://www.chess-dynamics.com/news/s...firing-trials/

          This is prbably old hat to most on here but I only spotted it lately, wonder if it will /has been retrofitted to P50's?
          Don't know about retrofit but hope it can do the job. The manufacturer promotes it as suitable for weapon systems up to 40mm. The IR, LRF, and optics are all good but may have atmospheric and line of sight limitations. The experts might come back on that one.

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          • So question for those that might know and say something, is this the Indo smoking some really good shit! Or an actual potential order?

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            • The article is not very coherent, no sources and has all the hallmarks of a ball hop.

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              • Most of the article is true i.e. the number of ships actually built plus the new one (GBS). There is cheapness there such as GB grants to the yard been reflected in stable prices to the customer. I do agree that building a ship of increased dimensions at that yard may be technically risky such as placing the building axis diagonally on the slip. An MRV at 120metres is "Long" and a Tall order for Appledore. I would build in a yard where fit and launching parameters are not provisional.

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                • Originally posted by ancientmariner View Post
                  Most of the article is true i.e. the number of ships actually built plus the new one (GBS). There is cheapness there such as GB grants to the yard been reflected in stable prices to the customer. I do agree that building a ship of increased dimensions at that yard may be technically risky such as placing the building axis diagonally on the slip. An MRV at 120metres is "Long" and a Tall order for Appledore. I would build in a yard where fit and launching parameters are not provisional.
                  I don't think the article was leading towards an MRV order, at "130 million for 2 ships" sits right on the price tag for two new P60's. Given Appledore's order book I could see them wanting such an order, maybe this is based off of conversations from when the Keel was laid for P64?

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                  • Remember the two Peacocks need to be replaced soon, replacing them with two more P60's could be the option

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                    • it makes perfect sense to me - the stated objective is a nine ship fleet comprised of 6 OPV, and those 6 being all the same class sounds like a very clever plan, 2 enhanced CPV and One EPV/MRV/whatever the hell.

                      these numbers make nine...

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                      • Originally posted by EUFighter View Post
                        Remember the two Peacocks need to be replaced soon, replacing them with two more P60's could be the option
                        Except for the whole "Counter IED" suggestions in the WP.

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                        • Originally posted by ropebag View Post
                          it makes perfect sense to me - the stated objective is a nine ship fleet comprised of 6 OPV, and those 6 being all the same class sounds like a very clever plan, 2 enhanced CPV and One EPV/MRV/whatever the hell.

                          these numbers make nine...
                          I make it 11, at least until the P50's end of life assuming the 2 CPV's/EPV happen relatively close to when the current ships need replacing.

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                          • Unless the establishment is increased, the CPVs will have to be wadied to provide crews for P64.
                            For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.

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                            • A lot of work would be required before an order for an MRV and/or OPV.

                              I can very much see people in DOD/DFHQ/NSHQ being very much pushing the idea, after all it's saving money and it may be better off getting the order in before the final BREXIT talks.

                              Therefore potentially the replacement CPVs (with counter mine/IED capabilities) could actually be OPVs

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                              • Originally posted by Sparky42 View Post
                                I make it 11, at least until the P50's end of life assuming the 2 CPV's/EPV happen relatively close to when the current ships need replacing.
                                true - it could also be an alternative to the proposed but still all over the place EPV/MRV/Overseas operation ship. theres not even a baseline agreement or understanding about what kind of functions that vessel should be doing, so perhaps this is that vessel being kicked into the long grass by a boot with 'too hard' written on it. particularly if Appledore are offering these vessels on a 'take them while we're still in operation' basis...

                                it could also be the like-for-like CPV replacement getting the long finger with the govt thinking that a core fleet of 6 P60's and 2 P50's offers greater utility and flexibility than 4 P60, 2 P50 and 2 P40/P40 replacements...

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