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  • Originally posted by Goldie fish
    Methinks don has been reading IMO again...

    Indeed....but all seeds must first be sown.

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    • There are other facts in this which have not been discussed here which Mr Lavery has not mentioned. He is basically rehashing an article by Lorna Siggins from a while back.

      That said, Good to get it out in public. Lets not get excited until Willie opens the chequebook to place a few deposits..


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • Hi from NZ just a thought why doesnt the irish naval service ask the RNZN/NZ govt if you can have some of your own naval personnel during sea trials and delivery voyage to downunder.It might help in your future ship requirements and decisions.

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        • Bladdy good idea that. I know there was a Kiwi on exchange with the Naval service here recently. Surely the gesture could be returned while the MRV is doing sea trials or during her delivery trip from the Netherlands.

          How is the MRV progressing?


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • Hi Goldie latest news is that the MRV is progressing well,the landing craft are readyand the cranes to be installed.Sea trials to start shortly in june/july got to give those dutchy shipbuilders credit they dont muck around.New photos of the MRV alongside at merwede are on the nz navy past present and future website.

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            • Go on the Dutch!
              "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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              • On replacing the Emer, the Dpt of Defence should consider purchasing a vessel with Deep Diving capabilities considering the amount of up to date equipment the diving team has. It would also eliminate the naval diving team relying on other services to transport the heavy equipment. It would be better to make the diving ship a permenant fixture capable of operating outside the scope of fishery protection.

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                • Would a multi role vessel not have a capacity to assist in the deep diving activities?


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • Hi all
                    Is this supposed ship expected to be a fleet resupply-at-sea vessel, also? Would it have a helideck? Would it make more sense to convert an existing commercial vessel rather than build from new?
                    regards
                    GttC

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                    • A rebuild would cost as much in the long term as a newbuild. Plus the rebuild would not have the same lifespan as a newbuild.

                      Define resupply? If you mean refuel, its not really necessary as our ships have much longer legs than "proper " warships that normally operate as part of a fleet group, and need regular refuelling for their fuel intensive gas turbines.
                      As for stores, any naval vessel is capable of transferring stores to other ships.

                      Helipads are a must have, even if you do not have the aircraft. There is always the chance that you would be working in a mission where another nation is providing Helis(In Liberia for example the Ukranians do it).


                      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                      • In UNIFIL every Batt had a number of helipads.

                        NORAIR and later ITALAIR ( 6 x Bell 212 (Huey) were based in Naqoura on thecoast

                        The only contingent I ever saw re supply by Air was FrenchBatt.

                        Using UN Helis and French ships.


                        Beruit and Haifa (the nearest viable ports) were many Kms away over very bumpy roads to the UNIFIL AO.


                        Perhaps in the future INS ships will have helipads.
                        Last edited by B Inman; 22 May 2006, 01:51.

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                        • I see according to Janes that the two Absalon Class ships for the Danish Navy will cost US$413 million in total. Accepting that they are far better equipped than anything that the NS are likely to get, but still it shows that these type of vessels don't come cheap.

                          IAS

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                          • The Absalons would be ideal, but they're very big (over 6000t). Unlikely any Irish vessel would be that big.

                            Fit aside, that figure is probably high also because of the fact that all of the development costs would be included. Were someone to buy 'off the shelf' as it were, the costs would be lower. For a ship of any reasonable size (>4000t), you'd still probably be looking at a figure of €100m though (as opposed to ~€160m for the Absalon). And you wouldn't build the hull in Denmark.

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                            • Maybe in Belfast?

                              IAS

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                              • Unless you know a good welder in Belfast I doubt it. H&W are no longer in the business of shipbuilding, and were never cheap when they did. Best bet is to build the Hull in some high output dockyard in Holland or Poland, the superstructure in Germany, and Mate the whole lot together on the Elbe..


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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