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    is there a misquote in the times today about the final figure for the three new ships??? it said a total of 80m euro, i thought it was 180m???? or is it a case of "ted i'm going mad" on my part

    O'Dea to look for 3 new ships
    Lorna Siggins, Marine Correspondent

    Minister for Defence Willie O'Dea expects to secure final Cabinet approval this month for purchase of three new patrol vessels for the Naval Service.

    Referring to the cocaine seizures off the southwest coast, Mr O'Dea said that it was a very good time to be looking at additional resources for coastal protection, and the Naval Service had an important role to play in this.

    The LE Orla was involved in yesterday's continued search, co-ordinated by the Garda Síochána. The Revenue Commissioners, which has a customs patrol vessel, would also be looking for a review of its resource requirements very shortly, Mr O'Dea noted.

    The Minister told The Irish Times yesterday that the Government was committed to the fleet upgrade, and he intended to present a memo to Cabinet "within the next couple of weeks".

    The new vessels will replace the existing patrol ships, LE Emer, LE Aoife and LE Aisling, which are due to be decommissioned.

    The Naval Service has recommended that one of the three replacements should be a larger vessel of up to 120m (394ft), which could provide humanitarian relief and troop support in any part of the world. It would also be designed for fishery protection duties in Irish waters.

    Two additional vessels of about 80m (262ft) each would be slightly larger than the most recent builds - the LE Róisín and LE Niamh, the latter having been delivered in 2001. The total bill for all three new ships has been estimated at up to €80 million, but the Minister said yesterday that he was looking at expenditure of about "€30 million a pop".

    Meanwhile, he made presentations of paintings to a number of sail training organisations yesterday in his capacity as chairman of Coiste an Asgard, the company responsible for the State's sail training brigantine, Asgard II.

    Dublin Port, Dublin City Council, the Dublin Docklands Development Authority, the John F Kennedy Trust, and Waterford city and port, which hosted a leg of the 2005 tall ships race, accepted framed prints of Irish Tall Ships 2005 by Kenneth King.

    © 2007 The Irish Times
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    You won't get a larger ship than the P 50 class for €30m at this stage.


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    Well I hope they use better , thicker steel than they used for the last two. Those two ships won't have half the shelf life the PV's did.

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    sure, but wasnt there a figure of E180 going about no so long ago? i may well have my wires X

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    Quote Originally Posted by criodan View Post
    sure, but wasnt there a figure of E180 going about no so long ago? i may well have my wires X

    Your wires are uncrossed.
    €160m to €180m was the figure mentioned a few months ago for three ships, with the larger expected to cost twice that of the smaller two. i.e, €80m to €90m for the larger Ship, €40m to €45m for each of the smaller(larger than P50) types.


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    So are we seeing a turn around?
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yooklid View Post
    So are we seeing a turn around?
    Are you suggesting FF would pull a U turn?

    I am hoping that its merely inaccurate reporting from Ms Siggins(who is usually spot on). Or a minister making an ill informed statement. The Requirements mentioned seem the same, Have ships suddenly got cheaper?


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    I just posted this on the news section, but it seems to suit here too

    Navy will get power to chase drug ships in Euro proposal


    By Tom Brady
    Saturday July 14 2007

    THE Naval Service is to be given powers to chase drug traffickers on the high seas as part of a European crackdown on international criminals.

    The move is now being finalised in the wake of last week's massive €107m cocaine haul, off the west Cork coastline.

    Ireland is joining six other nations - the UK, France, Netherlands, Italy, Spain and Portugal - in the initiative.

    The countries are to establish a joint headquarters, called MAOC-N (maritime analysis operational centre - narcotics), and it will be based in Lisbon in Portugal.

    The Irish contribution to the initiative is being compiled by a joint taskforce, which comprises the gardai, customs and the Naval Service and has been operating against drug traffickers for the past 10 years.

    It is expected the gardai and customs will base full-time representatives at the centre, which will co-ordinate the exchange of intelligence between the seven countries.

    The Naval Service is likely to provide representatives to Lisbon for specific operations.

    Arrest

    At the moment, the Naval Service has the legal go-ahead to directly arrest vessels suspected of being involved in the illegal importation of drugs if the ships are found inside Ireland's 12-mile territorial waters.

    But where the suspect vessels are non-Irish and are spotted outside the 12-mile limit, the Department of Foreign Affairs must seek authorisation from the parent state of the ships before they can be detained.

    Now proposals have been drafted which would allow combined operations between the member countries to board suspect vessels outside the territorial waters.

    The proposals are being forwarded to Attorney General Paul Gallagher for advice on the legal implications before being placed before the Cabinet by Defence Minister Willie O'Dea for a decision.

    Funding

    A study is also being carried out on the funding of the Lisbon centre.

    Also under consideration are plans to boost an inter-agency approach to compiling a more complete picture of maritime movement off the Irish coast.

    The Naval Service does not operate independently of the gardai or customs and works within the joint taskforce, based mainly on intelligence provided by either of the other two agencies.

    Surveillance data compiled on suspicious vessel movements is passed on by the Naval Service to the others. A minimum of three patrol vessels are deployed around the coast on surveillance operations throughout the year. This is seen as the first line of defence in deterring illegal activity.

    The week, before the west Cork cocaine seizure, the Naval Service had carried out a five-day exercise off the South coast, located particularly around the Bantry Bay and Fastnet areas.

    Mr O'Dea is to bring plans to buy three new naval vessels before the Cabinet for approval before the summer break.

    The estimated cost of the purchases is around €180m and tenders for the new ships will be sought shortly after the Government has sanctioned the proposals.

    One of the three vessels will have enhanced capacity to carry equipment, including 15 to 20 armoured personnel carriers as part of supplies for Irish troops operating overseas on peace missions.

    - Tom Brady
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    Thats more like it.


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    Looks like the MAKO 200 MRV is almost tailor made for it.
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    bloody typos....

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    Does anyone know where the figure of 2,000 tonnes for the "smaller" vessel comes from?

    IAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by ias View Post
    Does anyone know where the figure of 2,000 tonnes for the "smaller" vessel comes from?

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    It comes from the complete inability of the journo to do even basic research.
    Meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ias View Post
    Does anyone know where the figure of 2,000 tonnes for the "smaller" vessel comes from?

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    Roisin & Niamh are 1,500 tonnes so it could be a misquote again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ias View Post
    Does anyone know where the figure of 2,000 tonnes for the "smaller" vessel comes from?

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    I don't see what the issue is. It is expected that the non MRV ships will be a larger version of the P50 class. 2000 tonnes is a decent size, although it would be as large as Eithne, which is unlikely.
    The Kiwi OPV is 1600 tonnes. However there are elements of their design that would require serious modifications before they could operate for our Naval service. The Kiwis are willing to cut corners in places the Irish have learnt not to(learnt the hard way, in some cases).

    If the MRV is expected to be around 4000 tonnes(such as the Meko design) then a journalist could assume that a vessel that costs half as much would also weigh half as much.
    However considering the ships are expected to be in operation for at least 30 years, and we are increasing the size of the ships to allow for the worsening atlantic conditions, the bigger the better.


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    Three new ships will replace Aoife, Emer and Aisling
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    By Tom Brady,
    Thursday July 26 2007

    THE Government has agreed to provide special funds to purchase three new ships for the NavalServices.

    The Cabinet yesterday agreed a special cash allocation after Defence Minister Willie O'Dea argued that the existing budget for his Department could not meet the costs.

    The estimated purchase price of the new vessels is in the region of €160m to €190m and they will replace ships due to be taken out of service within the next three to five years.

    The purchase will ensure that the Naval flotilla remains at eight ships, which was set out in the Government's white paper on defence in 2000.

    Naval vessels are usually replaced after 30 years and the three on the way out are the LE Emer, commissioned in 1978, the LE Aoife, 1979, and the LE Aisling, 1980.

    The agreed programme for government has undertaken to prepare a second defence white paper and this will consider expanding the Naval role further and increasing the size of the flotilla.

    The Naval Service is to be given an expanded role in tackling drug smuggling on the high seas as part of an European crackdown on international crime.

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    The service will be given powers to chase suspected boats outside Ireland's 12-mile territorial waters.

    The Naval Service, Gardai and Customs will all be involved in the new initiative, which also includes the UK, France, Netherlands, Italy, Spain and Portugal, and will be headquartered in Lisbon.

    One of the three new vessels will have enhanced capacity to carry equipment, including 15 to 20 armoured personnel carriers, as part of supplies for Irish troops operating overseas on peace missions.

    An expert group set up to examine the purchases decided on two different type vessels.

    The larger vessel will be 120 to 140 metres in length. The two smaller vessels will be similar to the LE Roisin class, 75 to 85 metres long.

    After an examination of the tenders, the Department of Defence will decide if it should exercise an option to acquire further replacement vessels in the future.

    - Tom Brady,
    At least they are looking at expanding the fleet size, and if accurate, up to 140 Meters?...maybe they are expanding their options for what they want?
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    The Kiwis are willing to cut corners in places the Irish have learnt not to(learnt the hard way, in some cases).

    Care to enlighten us?
    Time for another break I think......

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    Excellent news from the Cabinet

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    The Kiwis are willing to cut corners in places the Irish have learnt not to(learnt the hard way, in some cases).

    Care to enlighten us?
    One engine room. Two engines. Consider the L.E.Aisling incident? All subsequent Naval vessels have an engine room for each engine.


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    Which particular Aisling incident..she's had quite a few....

    I know the one you refer too the amunition on deck and the fire below...regardless of the division of machinery spaces if that fire hadn't been contained there would have been a vacancy for a PV a lot earlier.

    She had another fire in the chippies store in 1986 while along side.

    Her gun deck flare was badly buckled by a rogue wave the same year and had to be replaced.

    A crew memeber suffered serious injuries from an accident with a lifting hook for a gemini.

    All within the space of a few two years..bloody jinx.
    Time for another break I think......

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    ‘The three new vessels will include one large ship capable of transporting military equipment for foreign peace missions abroad part of the world.

    ‘Around €90 million will be spent on a further two replacement ships which will stretch to 262ft each - similar to the largest vessels in the current fleet.
    http://www.fiannafail.ie/policy_page...ic=168&id=7040

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    new navy vessels

    Hi

    Does anybody know much about the 3 new navy vessels cabnait has agreed to get in the next couple of years??How many crew they will hold??facilities on board??and if any of them will have heli decks for sar??

    any info will be great

    thanks

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    If we know anything, you'll find it here....

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    Didnt know we all had to be super spellers on this site

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    Agree with Goldie on this regarding Kiwi OPV's. Should have isolated each engine. Best practice really. Did raise some eyebrows in my corner of the globe. Anyway I'm pleased to hear the NS ship replacement programme is making good headway.

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