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  • Originally posted by paul g View Post
    Good news

    20 million is not that much
    2% of a lot is still a lot!!

    The ratio of pay versus non-pay is 70:30 at the moment (as recommended by PWC)

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    • 2%, given that things are not great with the economy is a lot better than it could have been. This OPV programme is viatal to the naval service, and i for one thought it might get the chop.

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      • Remember the purchasing programme should mean an increase in expenditure - therefore the money to pay for it will have to come from savings elsewhere within the DF budget over and above the 2%.

        This document ( http://budget.gov.ie/2009SupApril09/...02009-2013.pdf) is all economic speak but down the end it says:

        Summary of Gross Expenditure (Capital & Current)
        Defence total, post budget -4.5%
        Current, post budget -3.8%
        Capital, post budget -31.9%

        Summary of Net Expenditure (Capital & Current)
        Defence total, post budget -7.1%
        Current, post budget -6.6%
        Capital, post budget -27.4%

        Summary of Gross Current Expenditure
        Defence -€11 m

        Summary of Gross Capital Expenditure
        Defence -€5 m

        Outlook - Gross Expenditure
        2009 post budget = €1,031,583,000
        2010 = €1,013,189
        2011 = €1,013,189

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        • There should be further figures in the revised estimates.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • Department of Defence - Supplementary Budget 2009

            Department of Defence - Supplementary Budget 2009
            Statement – Minister for Defence Mr. Willie O’Dea TD - April 7th 2009

            ‘The modernisation in structure and massive investment in equipment and infrastructure over the past twelve years means the Defence Force organisation is well capable of withstanding a reduction of €30m in Defence spending, approx €10million of which is achieved by the Chad mission re-hatting to UN leadership.

            Several important equipment purchases will continue including the acquisition of Light Tactical Armoured Vehicles and the advancement of Naval Vessel Procurement Plan.
            The Defence Forces will continue their important overseas peace support duties. We currently have 760 personnel serving on 14 overseas missions. Here at home “Aid to the Civil Power” functions will also continue. In 2008 the Defence Forces performed: 2,202 Cash in Transit Escorts, 180 Explosive Ordnance Disposal call-outs, 118 Prisoner Escorts and 732 Public Building Patrols.’
            ‘A large portion of the money we can save this year is due to the changeover of the peace support mission in Chad to UN command. While the remaining savings in spending will cause some difficulties for Defence Force management, they have shown their capacity to adapt and change and I have no doubt they will do so now. The savings made now are part of overall savings in public sector spending designed to ensure that the Irish economy is ready to respond and benefit quickly from the upturn in the global economy when it comes. The Defence Forces benefited from the growth in the economy in the past decade and will do so again when we return to growth over the years ahead. I am aware however that the moratorium on recruitment will come as a disappointment to the hundreds of well-qualified young men and women who seek exciting and rewarding careers in the Defence Forces.’

            Note for Editor:
            How the savings will be achieved:
            The reduction in Defence current expenditure is mainly due to the following factors:
            - Reduced costs of the Chad mission consequent on its changeover to a UN mission from March 2009 – approximately €10million
            - Prioritizing of the building and refurbishment programme for the remainder of 2009 – saving approx €6million on new building and €3million on refurbishment. Over €400 million has been spent on upgrading barracks, buildings and infrastructure across the Defence Forces Since 1997.
            - Pay and allowances – approx €4million
            - Reduced fuel and utility costs – approx €2million
            - The remainder to be achieved by the implementation of economies across the Defence organization, i.e. savings on transport costs, recruitment advertising etc

            Last edited by Dogwatch; 8 April 2009, 21:27.

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            • 10 + 6 + 3 + 4 + 2 = ??? (not 11)!

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              • Originally posted by DeV View Post
                10 + 6 + 3 + 4 + 2 = ??? (not 11)!
                Increases in expenditure elsewhere perhaps?

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                • DF is suffering €25 million in cuts, €11 going back to the Minister of Finance, that leaves €14 million for use elsewhere in the DF budget (more than likely equipment).

                  The cost of 3 new vessels is expected to be €180 million!! (http://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com...&postcount=264)

                  The Roisin and Niamh were commissioned in 1999 and 2001, they cost a total of €50 million.

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                  • The ships won't be paid for until they are complete. The initial costs to the state are quite small.

                    Also it is not cuts. It is SAVINGS. Big difference.
                    Last edited by Goldie fish; 9 April 2009, 20:14.


                    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                    • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                      The ships won't be paid for until they are complete. The initial costs to the state are quite small.

                      Also it is not cuts. It is SAVINGS. Big difference.
                      you mean they'll spread it out over a number of years.

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                      • They always pay of big projects over years.It took 3years i think to pay for the Pc-9's.

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                        • Should the NS look for a substantial reduction on the price originally quoted for the new OPVs, seeing the way the world economy has gone in the last six months?

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                          • Should the NS look for a substantial reduction on the price originally quoted for the new OPVs, seeing the way the world economy has gone in the last six months?

                            no tenders yet so will be factored in... take a kit kat..when some one else ****s up the tendering process you can have your day!
                            Covid 19 is not over ....it's still very real..Hand Hygiene, Social Distancing and Masks.. keep safe

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                            • A new fleet of armoured vehicles for the Defence Forces has escaped the axe in the public service cutbacks.

                              Defence Minister Willie O'Dea has secured approval to press ahead with plans to purchase 27 light tactical armoured vehicles at a cost of €19.6m.

                              Their purchase has been a top priority for the military because of the potential role they can play in overseas peace support missions. Officers say they are particularly useful when confronted with the threat from improvised explosive devices and hostile fire.

                              The cost of the purchase programme will be covered over several years from the defence budget.

                              The contract has been awarded to BAE Systems, based in South Africa. The first vehicle is due to be delivered in the last quarter of the year with another 15 on stream before Christmas. The remaining 11 will be supplied in 2010.

                              Meanwhile, the tender process for the supply of new ships was unaffected by the Budget. It is intended to award a contract for two offshore patrol vessels by the summer.

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                              • "by the summer". Would that mean the end of spring then?


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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