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  • #31
    Hi all from NZ the RNZN has in service five SH-2G Kamen seasprite helos.Our models can use various armament options eg maverick missiles/mu-90 torpedoes etc.I would say our navy will mostly use these helos on the frigates/fleet tanker/opvs and the new mrv will use the NH-90s on order.The new ipcs will go to RNZNVR units.I have heard that the ipcs will get a 25 mil cannon up forrad later.

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    • #32


      RNZN officer on exchange with Irish NS.


      Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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      • #33
        New Zealand does not have much of a military to move anywhere. The army has some AFV and cannons, but is basically an infantry force. They have 2 frigates that would not put up much of a fight against say Chinese ships/aircraft or subs. They have some P-3 against subs and ships, but their range would be to limited for many operations. They have no air-to-air and only the P-3s, SH-2Gs and UH-1s for attack.

        The transport ship would only be good for some sort of task force attached with Aussies. If it is to be used for peacekeeping operations, fly the troops in instead. The patrol crafts are alright, but would not the money be better spent on buying something like Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates to replace thier frigates and have a ship with patrol/attack options. They got rid of thier A-4s and M.339s to save money, why on GODs green earth would they spend this much money on these ships!
        Last edited by Guest; 23 December 2005, 21:07.

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        • #34
          I don't think the 3 million or so Kiwis are planning on invading the chinese mainland any day soon.

          They have decided on vessels that are appropriate to their needs. Not everyone is in the business of imposing democracy on the world.
          Read the links in this thread and you will see exactly why they decided to spend on these ships.

          Perry class are approaching obsolesence, and are crew intensive, which is not ideal for a small country with a small navy. The Aussies use them in addition to the Meko type, and the MEKO(ANZAC) is considered the superior warship of the two, in spite of the fact that it is not US designed.

          Why does every military force in your opinion need to be an offensive one? The Kiwis have a pretty good international reputation as it is without having needed to invade anyone. I urge you to visit their websites, and look at the doctrine based on local military roles and humanitarian requirements, which is a secondary tasking of all modern small Naval forces.


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          • #35
            Hi all from NZ thanks goldie for your comments on our naval requirements/future needs,you are spot on with what we want to achieve.It never ceases to amaze me how NZ is put under a lot of pressure to follow the US/UK all the time.Yes we do have small defence forces but a lot of new gear is coming online in the near future and 2500 more personnel to be recruited for all three services.Actually its a shame NZ and Irish defence forces couldnt work together more but thats another thread.

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            • #36
              I don't think New Zealand is planning any invasions. The first purpose of any military is to protect the people of its country. China is a growing threat in Asia. Over the next 20 years they will be a bigger threat.

              Also you need more than just infantry troops for peacekeeping. What about East Timor? Remember when the RNZN lost track of an Indonesian 209 sub while NZ Army troops were being transported to Suai. If the Indonesian Navy wanted to, the Frigate Canterbury and that transport would be rusting at the bottom of the sea. INTERFET (International Force in East Timor) was being probed the whole way that they sailed to East Timor by the Indonesian Navy and Air Force.

              This is the mission of the NZ navy from their website:

              Ensure the sovereignty of our EEZ and territorial waters;
              * Protect our interests in the Southern Ocean and Ross Dependency;
              * Counter any threat posed by terrorism or acts of sabotage;
              * Provide support in civil defense and other emergencies; and
              * Contribute to the Governments social and economic priorities by providing opportunities for training and rewarding careers.

              New Zealand's 2 MEKO (ANZAC) class frigates are not up to the same standards as the Aussie ships, and the money that was to go to a third ship has been used on these smaller ships that have less combat value. All this seems to be due to politics rather than what the military needs.

              I don't think NZ needs F-22s and a Nimitz-class AC. But if New Zealand is going to buy these types of ships, they need to be able to protect them in combat. Is it the Aussies job to do that? There are still threats to New Zealand. Does New Zealand have a military just for fishery patrols and peacekeeping? If that was they case they would do what Costa Rica did. Abolish their military and create a paramilitary police force with patrol boats and police officers to go on peacekeeping missions.

              I don't think every militaries role should be an 'offensive one'. However they should be able to conduct combat operations as their primary goal. Is not that first mission of the Irish Military, or the Mexican military or any military to protect their nation? Even the Swiss Guard's first role is to protect the Vatican.
              Last edited by Guest; 27 December 2005, 17:46.

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              • #37
                Project Protector/RNZN MRV

                Hi all from NZ just thought i would give you an update,the NZ MRV is to be launched on 11/2/06 just five months after the keel was laid.The ship is to sail to Australia in july,more details are available on the NZ ministry of defence site.Maybe this is the type of vessel your naval forces might be looking at.

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                • #38
                  Have you any pictures ?
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                  Last edited by Sailor Girl; 24 March 2011, 12:48.

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                  • #39
                    Navy's new MRV launched





                    The Royal New Zealand Navy's new Multi Role Vessel (MRV) was launched on Saturday 11 feb (local time) at the Merwede shipyard in Rotterdam.

                    Secretary of Defence Graham Fortune and the Deputy Chief of Navy, Commodore Jack Steer attended the launch.

                    The 9000-tonne MRV is the first of seven ships being built under the Ministry of Defence's $500 million Project Protector. Two Offshore Patrol Vessels are being built in Melbourne, and four Inshore Patrol Vessels are being built in Whangarei.

                    Defence Minister Phil Goff, who visited the shipyards last weekend, said the speed with which the MRV was being built was impressive, with work having been contracted to four other shipyards in Rotterdam.

                    "As result, the MRV is being built at an average of 20 tonnes per day and five months later it is ready for launch – on schedule and within budget."

                    The MRV's superstructure was fitted as one complete block the day after the launch. Once the fit-out and sea trials are complete in late July, it will sail for Melbourne to be fitted with armaments and military communications systems. Final trials will then be conducted before Defence accepts the ship in December.

                    The MRV has a maximum speed of 19 knots, and is capable of transporting the Army’s Light Armoured Vehicles and Light Operational Vehicles, as well as 250 troops, one Seasprite and four NH90 helicopters. It has two 60-tonne landing craft for situations where port facilities are not available.



                    Multi Role Vessel leaving dry dock
                    Mr Goff said all seven of the Project Protector ships would make an important contribution to New Zealand's security and economic interests, as well increasing our capacity to assist in disaster relief in the Pacific.
                    "They will be operated by the Navy but they will undertake work for a range of government departments as part of a multi-agency approach to protecting our borders," Mr Goff said.



                    MRV emerging from dry dock


                    Read more about the Projects background and capabilities.


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                    • #40
                      The New Zealand MPV, the Multi-Role Vessel, has civilian sisters: the Isle of Man Steam Packet's Company's Ben My Chree, the Commodore Clipper serving the Channel Islands, and two recently built Danish ferries serving the island of Bornholm, the Hammerodde and Dueodde. All of these ships were built by Merwede in the Netherlands.

                      The MPV will be able to transport a typical company's troops and equipment and sustain it for a month: 250 men, 16 LAV IIIs, 14 LOVs (Pingauzers), 7 Unimogs, 2 ambulances, 7 LOV trailers, 2 rough terrain forklifts, and 4 four-wheel drive vehicles, plus 33 20 ft. containers. The MPV can also carry 4 NH-90 army transport helicopters in the vehicle deck, along with her SeaSprite helicopter in its hangar. Although without a well dock, the ship will be able to move equipment to shore using its 2 LCM-8s landing craft via the stern ramp. There is also a side ramp to starboard to disembark at a port.

                      While it may be easier to fly the men, the company's equipment must go by sea.

                      More views of the launching of New Zealand's MPV can be found at the Royal New Zealand Naval Association website, an interesting vessel the Irish military could use.

                      Last edited by Sea Toby; 20 March 2006, 12:17.

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                      • #41
                        In the South Pacific I doubt whether New Zealand would need a larger gun mount on the MPV or OPV, the 25-mm Bushmaster gun is similar to the gun on their LAVIIIs. However, even the Irish were able to place a 76-mm gun on their new OPVs which are very similar to the New Zealand OPVs.

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                        • #42
                          That P101 model looks similar to the new alu hull irish customs patrol vessel except for the aft deck space
                          "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                          • #43
                            So in other words, not a bit..There is a thread about the Revenue Customs cutter elsewhere on this site, I suggest you have a look.

                            Some great photos of the mating of superstructure and hull there.

                            Great site too, thanks for the link Toby


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                            • #44
                              It has a lot of the same lines midships the way they have the deck angle just aft of the superstructure. Suirbheir looks like a similar platform only smaller. I had a good look up close and personal when I went out onboard in cork harbour during some trials / show case excursions. Also had a good look at the hull from the bottom when I was unprop'ing a yacht moored just downriver from it
                              "The Question is not: how far you will take this? The Question is do you possess the constitution to go as far as is needed?"

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                              • #45
                                Unprop'ing a yacht? You are one of them WAFIs? There goes what miniscule bit of respect I had for you.


                                Suirbheir is 22m long.


                                IPV1 is 55m long.

                                Titanic had a black hull and 4 funnels. By your reconing this would make it similar to the Queen Mary 2 which has a black hull and 3 funnels.


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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