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    Linenhall is the area west of Bolton Street.

    The barracks would appear to have been rather small - between North King Street, Coleraine Street and Lisburn Street according to page 316 here: http://books.google.ie/books?id=X1fW...sult#PPA316,M1

    It appears it was taken over in 1925. http://books.google.ie/books?id=o8Vs...um=7&ct=result

    I wonder if the houses on Lisburn Street were part of it. Page 67: http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=...cl=1&encType=1

    Photo after 1916 Rising http://www.southdublinimages.ie/sear...n.aspx?id=3569

    It appears to have had marrierd quaters and was at some time occupied by pay clerks and possibly had warehouses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turncoat View Post
    Hi

    I was just wondering where would I find information on the various Barracks in Dublin.
    In particular the ones relating to the Irish regiments like the Iniskillings and RIR.
    I know Cathal Bruagh (Then portobello) was home to both the Royal Irish regiment and Iniskillings but were other barracks manned by Irish troops?

    Ive tried googling it but can only find rough information. Not much about the actual units or dates etc.
    The Irish Infantry Regiments under the previous administration were dispatched all over the Empireand just accepted a posting in Ireland in the normal course of events when they might be on Home Service

    In 1914 The were Located as follows:-

    The Irish Guards
    1st Battalion were at Aldershot part of the4th Brigade and 2nd Division

    The Royal Irish Regiment
    1st Bn NASIRABAD India
    2nd Bn Devonport part of 8th Brigade and 3rd Division
    Depot at Clonmel
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Clonmel
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Kilkenny

    Royal Inniskililling Fusiliers
    1st Bn Trimulgherry, India
    2nd Bn Dover part of 12 Bde and 4th Division
    Depot at Omagh
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Omagh
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Enniskilling

    Royal Irish Rifles
    1st Bn Aden
    2nd Bn Tidworth
    Depot at Belfast
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Blfast
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Newtownards

    Royal Irish Fusiliers
    1st Bn Shorncliffe Kent Part of 10 Brigade and 4th Division
    2nd Bn Quetta, India
    Depot at Armagh
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Amagh
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Cavan

    Leinsters
    1st Bn Fyzabad, India
    2nd Bn Cork part of 17th Bde and 6th Division
    Depot at Birr
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Birr
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Maryboroug
    5th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Drogheda


    Royal Muster Fusiliers
    1st Bn Rangoon, BURMA
    2nd Bn Aldershot part of 1st Guards Bde and 1st Division
    Depot at Tralee
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Tralee
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Kinsale
    5th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Limerick


    Royal Dublin Fusiers
    1st Bn Madras, India
    2nd Bn Gravesend, Kent Part of 10 Briade and 4th Division
    Depot at Naas
    3rd Reserve [R] Bn Naas
    4th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Dublin
    5th Special Reserve [SR] Bn Dublin

    The Cavalry were equally dispersed
    only three Regiments were in Ireland as part of the Cavilry Brigade at the Curragh and in Dublin 4th Queens Own Hussars, 5tgh Royal Irish Lancers and the 16th Queens Lancers.

    Two Regiments with Irish in their title were else where 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards were in Tidworth while 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars were in Ambila India

    The Special Reserve were represented with the North Irish Horse based from Skehonnel Avenue in Belfast while their counterparts in the South Irish Horse were headquartered in Beggers Bush in Dublin

    All the other barracks with in Ireland were occupied by non Irish units on a standard rotational basis.

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    Wink

    Allied to the above these might be of help

    BRITISH ARMY IN IRELAND - JULY 1914 JULY 1914 ARMY LIST
    ******* **** ** ******* * **** **** **** **** **** ****
    25 The Kings Own Scottish Borderers 2nd Bn DUBLIN
    33/76 The Duke of Wellingtons (West Riding) Regiment 2nd Bn DUBLIN
    50 The Queens Own (Royal West Kent Regiment) 1st Bn DUBLIN
    51/105 The Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry 2nd Bn DUBLIN
    12 The Suffolk Regiment 2nd Bn 14 CURRAGH
    31/70 The East Surrey Regiment 1st Bn DUBLIN
    32/46 The Duke of Cornwalls Light Infantry 1st Bn CURRAGH
    63/96 The Manchester Regiment 2nd Bn CURRAGH
    9 The Norfolk Regiment 1st Bn HOLYWOOD
    16 The Bedford Regiment 1st Bn MULLINGAR
    22 The Cheshire Regiment 1st Bn LONDONDERRY
    39/54 The Dorsetshire Regiment 1st Bn BELFAST
    3 The Buffs (East Kent Regiment) 1st Bn FERMOY
    17 The Leicestershire Regiment 1st Bn FERMOY
    53/85 The Shropshire Light Infantry 1st Bn TIPPERARY
    65/84 The York and Lancaster Regiment 2nd Bn LIMERICK
    7 The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers(City of London)1st Bn KINSALE
    The Prince of Wales(North Staffordshire) Regiment 1st Bn BUTTEVANT
    100 The Leinster Regiment 2nd Bn CORK
    - - The Rifle Brigade 3rd Bn CORK


    ROYAL ARTILLERY
    5 DIVISION GOC Maj-Gen Sir C. FERGUSON CURRAGH

    13 Brigade G.J. Cuthbert DUBLIN
    14 Brigade B.G. Rolt CURRAGH
    15 Brigade A.E.W Gleichein BELFAST

    ROYAL ARTILLERY
    ***** *********
    CRA Col Sir J.E.W HEADLAM CB DSO NEWBRIDGE
    VIII (HOWR) BDE RFA 37,61,65 KILDARE
    XV BDE RFA 11,52,80 KILDARE
    XXVII BDE RFA 119,120,121 NEWBRIDGE
    XXVIII BDE RFA 122,123,124 DUNDALK

    6 DIVISION GOC Maj-Gen W.P PULTENEY CORK
    16 Brigade FERMOY
    17 Brigade CORK

    ROYAL ARTILLERY
    ***** *********
    CRA Col(temp Brig-Gen) Wellesley Lynedoch Henry PAGET MALLOW


    II BDE RFA 21,42,53 CHAIR
    XII How BDE RFA 43,86,87 FETHARD
    XXIV BDE RFA 110,111,112 BALLINCOLLIG
    XXXVIII BDE RFA 24,34,72 FERMOY




    ROYAL GARRISION ARTILLERY (Coastal Defence)

    Northern Ireland Coast Defence
    ==============================

    LONDONDERRY - Defended Ports: LOUGH SWILLY & BELFAST

    15 Company


    Southern Ireland Coast Defence
    ===============================
    Defended Ports: QUEENSTOWN HARBOUR & BEREHAVEN
    Brown, Robert Partridge (QM 29/7/03) (hon capt) 29/07/13 CORK HARBOUR
    10 Company RGA QUEENSTOWN
    43 Company RGA QUEENSTOWN
    49 Company RGA QUEENSTOWN
    **************

    V Reserve Royal Field Artillary Brigade ATHLONE
    ***************************************
    144th Battary
    =============
    145th Battary
    =============
    No 5 DEPOT (Royal Field Artillary) ATHOLONE



    ROYAL ENGINEERS
    ***************
    5TH DIVISION
    17 Field Company CURRAGH
    59 Field Company CURRAGH
    5 Signal Company CARLOW

    6th DIVISION
    12 Field Company MOORE PARK Fermoy
    38 Field Company CORK
    6 Signal Company LIMERICK

    OTHER UNITS
    14 Survey Company DUBLIN
    33 Fortress Company QUEENSTOWN
    Det Coast Battalion Berehaven
    Det Coast Battalion Lough Swilly
    B Signal Company LIMERICK
    K Signal Company DUBLIN
    4 Field Troop (3rd Cav Bde) CURRAGH
    3 Signal Troop (3rd Cav Bde) CURRAGH





    ARMY SERVICE CORPS
    ******************
    4 COMPANY DUBLIN
    6 COMPANY CURRAGH
    17 COMPANY CORK
    19 COMPANY DUBLIN
    23 COMPANY CURRAGH
    33 COMPANY BELFAST
    37 COMPANY CURRAGH
    48 (M.T.) COMPANY DUBLIN
    49 (M.T.) COMPANY CURRAGH
    50 (M.T.) COMPANY FERMOY
    51 (M.T.) COMPANY CURRAGH
    "D" COMPANY (SUPPLY) CURRAGH
    "BB" COMPANY (REMOUNT) DUBLIN "CC" COMPANY (REMOUNT) LUSK "DD" COMPANY (REMOUNT) Temp DUBLIN

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    Very interesting, where did you find those details?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Very interesting, where did you find those details?
    All the above was taken from data in a ARMY LIST August 1914 - other editions give a picture at that time
    The Army List was then a monthly publication, quarterly and half yearly.

    The same information could be found in copies of HARTS ARMY LIST which also recorded the previous locations of Major Infantry and Cavalry Units together with details of each officers career - a facility not avalible in the Monthly Army Lists.

    If you are interested I have a listing of BRITISH Units by location and month for the period 1919/1922.

    PS Naval and Military Press have reissued the August 1914 Army List !!!!

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    This is what I've found in my research--these were active during the War of Independence (2 exceptions in parens just before).

    This may seem like a large number, but the Dublin Brigade became the Dublin District in Mar 1920 with the 24th & 25th (Provisional) Infantry Brigades assigned. Brig.-Gen. Boyd was promoted to Maj.-Gen. at this re-organisation. Most of the battalions assigned were actually in the City, although the District had purview over Co. Dublin and Meath. Most of these barracks had one or two infantry battalions garrisoned.

    The British army did use the Rifle Brigade and the RHA, RGA and RFA 'brigades' in Ireland. Their units were listed as 'regiments', but their were actually the size of infantry battalions (the RHA were dismounted) and used as such. The same holds true with the cavalry regiments.

    • Military/Police Barracks

      (Aldborough Barracks)--Aldborough Place & Portland Row--Site of Fenian attack in 1893. Seems to have been closed around 1894.

      Arbour Hill Barracks--Across from Royal Barracks--Situated north across Arbour Hill St., near the Military Prison, with the Arbour Hill (Military) Cemetery in-between.

      Beggars Bush Barracks--Beggars Bush--Site of Army Pay Office in WWI. Turned over to ADRIC for Depot in July 1920; 1st barracks turned over to the Free State.

      Dublin Castle--Dublin Castle--Seat of Britain's Irish Government.

      Island Bridge Barracks--South Circular--Renamed Clancy Barracks.

      King’s Inn--Constitution Hill--Used as a British army HQ in War of Independence.

      Linenhall Barracks--Constitution Hill--Immediately south of King's Inn.

      Magazine Fort--Phoenix Park

      Marlborough Barracks--Blackhorse Avenue--Renamed McKee Barracks.

      (Pigeon House Fort)--South Wall--1814–97, apparently became electric station; attacked with dynamite in 1893. Seems to have been converted around 1894.

      Portobello Barracks--Rathmines--Renamed Cathal Brugha Barracks.

      Richmond Barracks--Kilmainham--Renamed Keogh Barracks.

      Royal Barracks--SW Temple & Benburb St.--Renamed Collins Barracks.

      RIC Depot & Barracks--South of Marlborough Barracks, off North Circular Road. Sometimes called 'Phoenix Park RIC Depot'.

      Ship Street Barracks--Located on south side at the Castle. There was also a DMP station or barracks nearby. Of course, both the DMP and the RIC were headquartered at the Castle, with the Chief-Commissioner of the DMP (Edgeworth-Johnstone) and the Deputy Inspector-General, RIC (Davies-1916-20 & Walsh-1920-22), having offices there.

    • Military Hospitals in Dublin

      King George V Royal Military Hospital--complex at Arbour Hill

      Royal Military Infirmary--Montpellier Hill.

      Royal Military Hospital (Female)--Montpellier Hill (just across the road).

      Isolation Hospital--Montpellier Hill

      Portobello Military Hospital--at the barracks.

      Special Surgical Hospital--I don't have a location for this.

      Dispersal Hospital--I don't have a location for this.

      There were also large military hospitals at:

      The Curragh Military Camp (Co. Kildare), the HQ of the 5th Infantry Division and of The Cavalry Brigade;

      The Central Cork Military Hospital in Cork City, which also housed the HQ of the 6th Infantry Division;

      The Ulster Volunteer Force Hospital in Belfast, HQ of 1st Infantry Division, founded on Lord Craigavon’s estate.

      There were also military hospitals at Armagh, Athlone, Belfast, Dundalk, Enniskillen, Galway, Holywood, Londonderry, Longford, Mullingar, Newry, Omagh and Tipperary.

      Most of these were caring for the few soldiers and families of the Depots of the Irish regiments of the British army (almost all of whose battalions were deployed, to get them out of Ireland).

      RIC Depot and Barracks Infirmary--there was a small infirmary run by the Surgeon to the Force, Dr Pryce Peacock (1914-22), who had the effective rank of a county inspector.

      There were no other medical officers in the RIC, the force was looked after by 'Medical Attendants of the Royal Irish Constabulary’, who were contract physicians who looked after the men and their families--wives and children under 16. The DMP were cared for through a similar system, but did not include family care.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hospitaller View Post

    Linenhall Barracks--Constitution Hill--Immediately south of King's Inn.
    Photo attached. I'm not sure if this was part of the barracks, but its the only original building left on that block, now a health centre.
    (Pigeon House Fort)--South Wall--1814–97, apparently became electric station; attacked with dynamite in 1893. Seems to have been converted around 1894.
    From the poor drawings I've seen of this, I suspect it was essentially a sea battery.
    Royal Barracks--SW Temple & Benburb St.--Renamed Collins Barracks.
    That is Temple Street West.
    RIC Depot & Barracks--South of Marlborough Barracks, off North Circular Road. Sometimes called 'Phoenix Park RIC Depot'.
    This is, of course, now Garda HQ, which had been in the Royal Hospital Kilmainham for some period in the 1920s-1960s, when HQ moved to the park and the training depot to Templemore.

    Ship Street Barracks--Located on south side at the Castle. There was also a DMP station or barracks nearby.
    I wonder if these were one and the same. This was also the DMP depot.
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    I hadn't seen the post saying that Linenhall barracks was just south of the King's Inns.

    I had a look at google earth, because DIT Linenhall (part of DIT Bolton Street) is literally beside the King's Inns.

    Here's the screenshot. Above the yellow line is the King's Inns building and green area. Below it, you can see one of the streets named Linenhall Terrace.

    The building I've outlined in yellow is the DIT building called Linenhall. It's pretty old and grotty (hate doing exams in there) so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some connection.


    Edit: it would help if I attached the screenshot!
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    I was about to suggest that it was much smaller, but here is says it was about 2.25 acres (imagine a space 100x90m)

    http://books.google.ie/books?id=eeRO...acks%22&pgis=1
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    right, when I'm next in college I can take a picture?

    The building I'm thinking of , you can't get into it without going through an arch and beside the arch it has a gatehouse and there's sheds, well, more like shelters like the ones in McKee that people park their bikes under that initially reminded me of McKee which is why it stuck out in my head.


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    The Ship St Barracks is the building in Dublin castle currently used as the HQ of the Revenue Comissioners, which also appears on its logo.

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    Next time in dublin i intend to visit dublin castle is there tours etc..

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    I recently discovered there is a Revenue Museum there.....

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    UPDATE:
    Here is some new information (based on Ordnance Survey Map of Dublin, 1893-1913):

    Arbour Hill Barracks--Across from Royal Barracks--Probably Arbour Hill Detention Barracks or the Barracks for the troops guarding it.

    Linenhall Barracks--Constitution Hill--Immediately south of King's Inn (according to the Ordance Survey Map).

    Marshalsea Barracks--Marshalsea Lane--Originally the debtors’ prison.

    Montepelier Hill Barracks (RAMC)--Infirmary Road--Across from Royal Isolation Hospital & Ordnance Stores; basically the barracks for the RAMC personnel at the hospitals there.

    Ship Street Barracks--Located on south side at Castle--On the west side of the Castle garden; the DMP Barracks located on east side of garden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny no stars View Post
    I hadn't seen the post saying that Linenhall barracks was just south of the King's Inns.

    I had a look at google earth, because DIT Linenhall (part of DIT Bolton Street) is literally beside the King's Inns.

    Here's the screenshot. Above the yellow line is the King's Inns building and green area. Below it, you can see one of the streets named Linenhall Terrace.

    The building I've outlined in yellow is the DIT building called Linenhall. It's pretty old and grotty (hate doing exams in there) so I'd be surprised if there wasn't some connection.


    Edit: it would help if I attached the screenshot!
    The south facade of the barracks was on Lisburn Street.

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    Beggars Bush seems to have been the Main HQ during the Anglo Irish War. Its no longer a Barracks. Govt Stationary office used to reside there I think.
    Print Museum, Geological Survey and Labour Court are in there also, the latter two in an awful 1970s building.

    Completely off topic, but is it possible to figure out what Irish regiment would have been in NW India (Hindu Kush) in the 1937-38 period from the Army lists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    I recently discovered there is a Revenue Museum there.....
    And the Gardia museum beside it

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden rivet View Post
    Next time in dublin i intend to visit dublin castle is there tours etc..
    all day! think the first is at 9.30 or 10 am

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    linenhall

    the linenhall was in the liberties. dont think it was a barricks it was used for meeting.
    it was opposite Mother Red Caps
    Barracks in Dublin
    A pet of mine (pre 1922)
    we can break military establishments down into
    barricks for troops Forts, ordnance stores hospitals and welfare
    I attach a small amout at the moment It is a work in progress.

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    I am puting to gether a list province by provience
    The OPW have sold off a lot of land and properties over the years
    any help on this is appreciated
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    sad or what

    i posted a replay to this and it hasent appeared
    am not alowed to share

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sargents 3 View Post
    i posted a replay to this and it hasent appeared
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    You are indeed allowed to share, however it can take a little while before posts appear as we have a system in place where new users have their posts approved prior to tehm being published. This is to avoid any spam posts appearing on the forum as has happened in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sargents 3 View Post
    the linenhall was in the liberties.
    Details as above. See here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...03449&t=h&z=18 it even says "Linenhall Parade". Presumably there was more than one Linen Hall.

    Your picture "It says nurses home its still there now HQ OF THE Naval service" - I understand this has been demolished for the new Courts Service building.
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    nurses home

    hi
    i havent been In army HQ for a few years if that is so
    whats new we seam to delight in destroying our past
    i must drop in next week

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    verse from boar war ballid

    Hand me down me petticoat
    Hand me down me shawl
    Hand me down me bubonnet
    For I'm of to the Linen Hall

    I think this is were abandoned soldiers ladies may have gone for a hand out
    I am wondering has it a connection to your Linnen hall

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