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It would have made more sense to issue the badge to the PDF.
If the army is smart about it they'll issue the badge with the corresponding velco's needed that way uniformity won't be an issue and don't have the badges on issue but have them available like bootlaces that you can just grab as you need them.
It is only by contemplation of the incompetent that we can appreciate the difficulties and accomplishments of the competent.
After taking the hump over this i decided feck it after seeing how things are at the moment its not a bad idea, i will be the one that you will see past 2:30pm and you might actually get something done if you ask me.
Afterall the Reservist is not apart of the "Sure thats not my job, i dont get paid for that".
Perhaps the Star of david would be a better symbol for the reserve, If you work hard you will get places; I cant seem to put my finger on this class system and worth methodology; It sounds vaguely familure.
Let's not get into the business of generalisations, unless we wish to start discussing the RDF side of the house as well.
Well its an Rdf badge so I think you will need it. As for badges I've a shit load on my SD 1,s at the end of the day they only mean something to guys in the organization be them pdf or rdf, as civvies don't give a toss as to how much hardship was involved in earning them ..
I have a solution. Everyone will be happy.
A new badge to be worn only by the super special members of the Permanent defence forces so they can tell each other from the more handsome, better educated, better paid, but still not as special as the PDF members of the Reserve defence forces.
The word "Buan" or "Buan-óglaigh" will be displayed on the badge, which will be supplied in endless quantity, to fit every bit of kit only the super special PDF get that RDF don't.
If the above isn't tactical enough, it can be abbreviated to a more appropriate
"B.O"
For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
I reckon all items of clothing will eventually have the velcro biceps like the UBACs, with overseas missions, battle groups and now RDF all requiring badges - eventually someone will give up and say **** it velcro on everything!
First of all, I agree with what I imagine all other rational posters would agree. If it wasn't broke don't fix it. Or else a green patch behind the cap badge, which would of been far more cost effective.
Secondly the arguments people are whinging about are to be honest pathetic. How often do RDF parade (FTT aside?). Once a week. Which is one set of uniform. Why would you need a multitude of patches? The uniform is only worn once a week. If you are a hygiene freak you can launder your shirt and smock in between parade nights. You do not need a patch for every item of clothing. Do you think the NBG lads or O/Seas contingents have patches coming out their holes? Application of Velcro then some common sense will swiftly slam that argument. During FTT which is two weeks. Then you will have a good uniform and tactical gear. Apply the same logic. As for this thing about being charged for velcro on unifroms...seriously a tight grip needs to be taken on your logic engine if that is an argument.
I fail to see the merit of peoples objections...it seems to me that people are upset about being identified as a reservist. Why? The ability to differentiate isn't a star of david. There is a need to differentiate between a full time soldier and a reservist. The facts behind this is that the level and standard of training is not equal. The expectations, note my choice of word in this...expectations, is that the Reservist may not be up to the same standard. I do not expect someone who's NCO's Cse or Officers Cse is nearly 2/3's shorter than their full time counterpart to be able to perform tasks in the same manner, however I can and have been surprised. That is not to shine any shadow of a doubt on the capability or potential of the same individual. They simply haven't had the same time in training for that role. That is not a snipe. Simply a fact. The fact that people can't accept this is mind boggling.
If a reservist can spend the exact same amount of time doing the exact same things on a cse then by all means we should expect and infact insist on the same standard being expected. Again the simple fact of the matter is that this is not the case. This is not the fault of the reservist equally the reservist should not expect the PDF to accept any lower standard.
The RDF are now more than ever given the opportunity to integrate with their PDF comrades. As an RDF man I would have loved the opportunities being afforded to RDF personnel these days. Places on cse's and participation in exercises are at a higher level than they have ever been before, the equipment is better than ever. But still the requirements being demanded of the RDF are still not being met (yes a lot of this is due to the death grip that the recruitment ban had, but its still not the only reason, people need to step up and realize the 'FCA' days are dead) I won't bother talking about standards any further as its a moot point until the KPIs for RDF have not yet been released.
#rantover
"Many a time a man's mouth broke his nose"
"Don't waste money buying expensive binoculars. Simply stand next to the object you wish to view."
Surely a simpler solution was to embroider the word on the rank slider, instead of creating a new patch just for the dpm?
Don't you come around here with that logic talk. This is the Defence Forces, where cost saving and value for money really mean false economy and decreased capabilities.
Where the FCA gave more real-world support to the PDF since any day gone ? 10 years the RDF has being going now and I've watched it every step of the way. Any time there is a serious need for reserve support, all this bullshit vanishes and the smiley faces come out and you get thrown the keys. Which is the way it should be. Don't try and kid the kidders here.
Security/Opsec reasons aside - And that is not a discussion for this forum for either its Pros or Cons - there is no justification for a Cultaca flash except to foster a split - completely against a single force/interoperability.
Are we subject to military law ? Yep under most military circumstances . Can we be charged ? Yep. Can we be banged up in the digger ? Yep. Can be be fined a days pay ? Yep.
Are we competent to carry out corps standard taskings e.g Inf Sec comdr ? PDF D Trg syllabus says we are, its not an RDF Col's name on the first page. Is the PDF training longer ? Sure it is and you do more stuff.
Brit Reservists do about the same levels yet fight on the front lines.
Last edited by trellheim; 27 September 2015, 17:36.
How often do RDF parade (FTT aside?). Once a week. Which is one set of uniform. Why would you need a multitude of patches? The uniform is only worn once a week. If you are a hygiene freak you can launder your shirt and smock in between parade nights. You do not need a patch for every item of clothing.
Well why are we issue 2 shirts and a smock (with an entitlement to another 2 after 18 months) in that case.
I was on a course which was classroom based a few years ago I would have changed by shirt every day if I could have, was one of the hottest summers in years.
If/when it is put in A9, the none wearing of them is a chargeable offence.
Application of Velcro then some common sense will swiftly slam that argument. During FTT which is two weeks. Then you will have a good uniform and tactical gear. Apply the same logic. As for this thing about being charged for velcro on unifroms...seriously a tight grip needs to be taken on your logic engine if that is an argument.
Depends on the senior ranks you come across and their attitude to it
The expectations, note my choice of word in this...expectations, is that the Reservist may not be up to the same standard.
I do not expect someone who's NCO's Cse or Officers Cse is nearly 2/3's shorter than their full time counterpart to be able to perform tasks in the same manner
SFC
There is 1 standard and it has to be met !
I won't bother talking about standards any further as its a moot point until the KPIs for RDF have not yet been released.
Any time there is a serious need for reserve support, all this bullshit vanishes and the smiley faces come out and you get thrown the keys. Which is the way it should be. Don't try and kid the kidders here.
You're misreading my point. I like the majority of others would support this type of interaction but its just simply not the reality on the ground. As previously stated with a combination of lack of numbers, and a lack of capability to fully subscribe to periods of trg this is not happening. You can blame legislation and employment but there is still a need to kick it up a gear. The old social aspect (to which I will refer loosely as the FCA mentality) has to go to keep in line with standards being set by the organization. With personal accountability and ownership being key words. But this is a point of argument for another thread.
there is no justification for a Cultaca flash except to foster a split - completely against a single force/interoperability.
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How so? The NSR can operate with a flash and they are the most integrated of all reserve units, I've never served on a naval ship (thankfully ) but I'm sure our naval friends will be able to enlighten us? How does a flash go against interoperability? I can understand the arguments that have a logistical and cost based logic. But I simply cannot understand the "I'm not wearing it because I don't like being branded a reservist" mentality.
Well why are we issue 2 shirts and a smock (with an entitlement to another 2 after 18 months) in that case.
I was on a course which was classroom based a few years ago I would have changed by shirt every day if I could have, was one of the hottest summers in years.
At the risk of appearing condescending, but if we have to discuss how grown men should manage their clothing in the most efficient and hygienic manner I think it would belittle the discussion. The mundane day to day management of kit is an important part of training. Ask a recruit or cadet how quick the learning curve is. Attaching velcro and swapping out patches is an easy solution.
If/when it is put in A9, the none wearing of them is a chargeable offence.
Depends on the senior ranks you come across and their attitude to it
I have never once in my experience, heard of any senior rank having an issue with velcro. Incidences of someone being charged even less so. Even if somewhere that person exists I'd imagine there'd be a fairly quick understanding that it served a functional purpose for allowing the removal of a flash as opposed to being a left over of an o/seas trip.
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