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  • Dunno about that, a GPMG can lay down a heavy layer of fire if necessary. A Minigun creates extra load on the aircrafts electrical system.


    Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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    • Originally posted by andy View Post
      The helicopter should be armed with two crew operated mini guns. A GPMG is not sufficient
      What are you basing this on? GPMG's are used as door guns the world over, where have they been found to be insufficient?
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      • GPMG was standard in the Vietnam war but things have moved on a lot since. All blackhawks use miniguns AFAIK. Its standard equipment.

        these new helis should be capable of operating two.

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        • For what? These Helis will not be deployed overseas. The ability to mount Machine guns are purely a realistic training aid.


          Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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          • Originally posted by andy View Post
            The helicopter should be armed with two crew operated mini guns. A GPMG is not sufficent
            Originally posted by FMolloy View Post
            What are you basing this on? GPMG's are used as door guns the world over, where have they been found to be insufficient?
            Andy is a military expert ya know, as we experienced with the split thread on our spanish friends! sorry for going off topic!:wink:
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              Last edited by Sandbag; 6 April 2007, 13:29.

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              • Originally posted by Gasplug View Post
                Andy is a military expert ya know, as we experienced with the split thread on our spanish friends! sorry for going off topic!:wink:
                Glasshouses, throwing stones from within same etc.


                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                • Originally posted by Goldie fish View Post
                  Air Corps Receive first AW139 helicopter

                  The Minister for Defence Mr. Willie O’Dea is pleased to announce that the first of four AW139 helicopters ordered for the Irish Air Corps was accepted from Agusta Westland at Vergiate near Milan, Italy earlier today.



                  The four utility helicopters will be operated by the Air Corps in general purpose military operational and training roles. Primary taskings will include training and operations with Special Forces, security and aid to the civil power, military exercises, infantry interoperability training and limited troop transport. They will also be used to perform air ambulance, inland Search and Rescue, aid to the civil community and VIP transport tasks.

                  http://www.defence.ie/website.nsf/Re...9?OpenDocument

                  Thats how I know.


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • Originally posted by Gasplug View Post
                    Andy is a military expert ya know, as we experienced with the split thread on our spanish friends! sorry for going off topic!:wink:
                    I was just pointing out the number of failed military operations relating to Spain.

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                    • Colombian door gunner:


                      Israeli door gunners:


                      British Army Air Corp Lynx (with Aussie pilot who was on exchange):


                      Australian Navy door gunner:


                      Here's several forces who are operating in much more dangerous environments than the Air Corp will be (any time soon anyway) who feel that a standard MG is good enough for their door gunners.

                      Just because it looks cool doesn't mean we need them.
                      "The dolphins were monkeys that didn't like the land, walked back to the water, went back from the sand."

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                      • I think the air corps have ambitions to seve overseas but afaik i would require a policy change.Wasnt there a link to an interview with Goc Air corps where he stated that posted here recently.:confused:
                        "Let us be clear about three facts. First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantryman. Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. His casualties are heavier, he suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms. Thirdly, the art of the infantryman is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm." ------- Field Marshall Wavell, April 1945.

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                        • The governments not going to risk their shiny new helicopters overseas, the are much to valuable.
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                          • Not sure if this was posted already...
                            Irish Air Corps Receive Their First AW139

                            The first of four AgustaWestland AW139 helicopters for the Irish Air Corps was handed over by Mr. Bruno Spagnolini, AgustaWestland’s Managing Director to Brigadier General James, General Officer Commanding, Irish Air Corps, in the presence of Major General Pat Nash, Deputy Chief of Staff (Operations), Irish Defence Forces, at Vergiate in Italy yesterday. This handover also marks the first delivery of an AW139 to a military customer.



                            Flying training of Air Corps pilots will now start and will continue until late October, when the second helicopter will be handed over.The AW139 helicopters for the Irish Air Corps are equipped with a range of role equipment including AM/FM tactical radios, a Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) camera with a fifth cockpit LCD mission display. In the cabin the aircraft can be quickly reconfigured from the troop transport role with ten crashworthy troop seats to the medical evacuation role with air ambulance equipment plus seats for attendants. Additional role equipment includes abseiling and fast rope systems as well as a dual machine gun installation. The AW139 was selected by the Irish Department of Defence in December 2004, after a full evaluation of the aircraft against several competitors. Soon after a contract was signed for four aircraft plus two options. The Irish Air Corps will use the aircraft for a range of duties including transport of special operation units of the Defence Forces, air ambulance, overland search and rescue and VIP transport.


                            The AW139 is powered by two Pratt & Whitney PT6C-67C engines each rated at 1679 shp for take-off, giving the aircraft class leading hot and high performance as well as unmatched single engine safety. The large unobstructed 8 m3 cabin with large sliding doors allows easy access and egress for troops and equipment. In the cockpit the aircrew have a fully integrated digital avionics and cockpit display system, which includes a duplex autopilot, flight management system with GPS and a radio navigation system. Over 190 AW139 helicopter have been ordered by mid-2006 making it the best selling helicopter in the medium twin class. Over 40 aircraft have now been delivered to customers in Europe, Asia, Africa, North America and the Middle East.

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                            • There is the dirty VIP transport word again
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                              • I still think they should refit one or two of the dauphins for VIP transport. That'd solve the problem
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