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    I think if you have a hard landing hitting the FLIR will be the least of your worries!

    Seriously though, I don't know what size the FLIR ball will be but I'm sure there's enough clearance up to a certain descent speed.

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    Great photos. I'm surprised to see that the pilot is not wearing his helmet while flying - would think that this is a safety issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyrdf View Post
    Thats a nic pic of the GPMG mount, thought it would have been handier to arm the pilot with a sidearm....then again maybe that man isn't a pilot but another gunner/loadie?

    Hes the gunner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    I think if you have a hard landing hitting the FLIR will be the least of your worries!

    Seriously though, I don't know what size the FLIR ball will be but I'm sure there's enough clearance up to a certain descent speed.
    Its set up for a FLIR 8500(EC135 has options for Ultraforce 2)

    Turret Size 9.0" dia. x 13.5" h (22.9 x 34.3 cm)
    Turret Weight 29 lbs (13 kg)
    Field of Regard 360º continuous in azimuth and elevation
    Slew Rates .02º to 65º both axes
    Stabilization Fiber-optic gyro-stabilization

    http://www.flir.com/imaging/Airborne...Ultra8500.aspx



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    Thanks Goldie Fish.

    Great videos on that site


    Do you know if the FLIR the AC are getting includes the Laser Pointer. It's a wicked accesory.
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    heard the 149 being mentioned as well,is there much difference between it and the 139 besides the beefier u/c
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    The AW149 is a 7.5 tons multi-role battlefield helicopter designed to fulfil the needs demanded by tomorrow's military operators.


    Applications

    BATTLEFIELD SUPPORT

    The large, unobstructed cabin and baggage compartment provides the capability to accommodate up to 16 troops or 12 fully equipped soldiers. With the external cargo hook, up to 2720 kg / 6000 lb of heavy equipment can be transported to the battlefield. Two large sliding cabin doors and 12.4 m3 of internal cargo space offer exceptional transport capability.

    COMMAND AND CONTROL

    The spacious cabin gives the command staff an unprecedented workspace for C3 dedicated equipment and for 2 workstations.

    MEDICAL EVACUATION

    The 3 m long by 2.26 m wide and 1.45 high cabin provides the capability to accommodate 2 to 6 stretchers leaving enough space for 4 attendants and in-flight medical care equipment.

    SEARCH AND RESCUE - CSAR

    For Combat Search And Rescue missions a rescue hoist and other specific mission equipment and armaments can be provided. CSAR crew concept envisages 2 pilots plus 2/4 crewmembers.

    It appears to be a Military version of the 139 with 12-15 troops transport capability
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    the 139 as supplied to us can take 12 in normal seats and 15 in the high density seating. i've only seen the normal seating yet but there's loads more elbow room compared to the al3 or dauphin and on crash seats to boot. like i said earlier is there any major difference to the 149 or is it just a name change 'cos of the paint job. the agusta web site gives damn all info
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    I think the HD is similar to the A3 setup that promises 3 seats up front....Three rows of 5, with front row facing to the rear.


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    Quote Originally Posted by spike View Post
    the 139 as supplied to us can take 12 in normal seats and 15 in the high density seating. i've only seen the normal seating yet but there's loads more elbow room compared to the al3 or dauphin and on crash seats to boot. like i said earlier is there any major difference to the 149 or is it just a name change 'cos of the paint job. the agusta web site gives damn all info
    I am confused.previous posts here and articles on the subject stated that each Aw-139 was to carry a section of eight troops.Add two door gunners/loadies and a pilot and co-pilot and you get a total of 12 personnel.Where is the figure of fifteen coming from??:confused:

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    There are two seating layouts available with the AB139 - the 12 seats was specified in the tender (tactical), the 15 seat (VIP style) was also delivered.

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    Thats cleared that up .thanks
    Does anybody know if the new helis can carry al the bergans for said section.I assume they go in the cargo compartment at the back at the cabin yeah?
    Also in the An cosantoir article about the new helis (june 2005) the idea was for daysacks to be stored at soldiers feet while on board.has this changed as if you look at what is written on the back on the troop seats it kinda rules that out.
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    in todays sunday indo the minister for defence stated the option for the next two helis has been approved by gov bringing total of AB139's to 6 for AC.

    as a matter of interest with the seating in these helis

    1. are the tactical and VIP seats interchangeable or are they permanently fixed in place?

    2. if they are interchangeable does each heli come with both options?

    3. how many helis will have the tactical configuration and how many the VIP?
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    in todays sunday indo the minister for defence stated the option for the next two helis has been approved by gov bringing total of AB139's to 6 for AC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X-RayOne View Post
    in todays sunday indo the minister for defence stated the option for the next two helis has been approved by gov bringing total of AB139's to 6 for AC.

    as a matter of interest with the seating in these helis

    1. are the tactical and VIP seats interchangeable or are they permanently fixed in place?

    2. if they are interchangeable does each heli come with both options?

    3. how many helis will have the tactical configuration and how many the VIP?
    1: I do believe it's a quick change capability, you can remove one and insert the other pretty quickly


    btw, I'd be more then happy, if the Gov just bought an Ec-135 in VIP configuration and just left the AC with the 2 135's and 6 139's alone
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    The majority of aircraft seating arrangements are interchangable. I understand there is also an air ambulance kit available for the AW139.(By Lifeport USA)

    http://www.iei.ie/uploads/Files/Engi...D_AIRCORPS.PDF

    http://www.lifeport.com/lp_prod_helicopter.cfm

    Good news on the options being exercised(if it is indeed the case).


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    Quote Originally Posted by mutter nutter View Post
    1: I do believe it's a quick change capability, you can remove one and insert the other pretty quickly


    btw, I'd be more then happy, if the Gov just bought an Ec-135 in VIP configuration and just left the AC with the 2 135's and 6 139's alone
    That sounds like a very good idea indeed.:wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by apod View Post
    Thats cleared that up .thanks
    Does anybody know if the new helis can carry al the bergans for said section.I assume they go in the cargo compartment at the back at the cabin yeah?
    Also in the An cosantoir article about the new helis (june 2005) the idea was for daysacks to be stored at soldiers feet while on board.has this changed as if you look at what is written on the back on the troop seats it kinda rules that out.

    I know its been mentioned here in the past but the cargo hold is quite spacious. I assume a procedure will be put in place to deploy a section from a heli and give them their bergens too.
    I assume a similar drill is in place with the mowags.

    Note: if there is there is no need to tell all about it here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    I know its been mentioned here in the past but the cargo hold is quite spacious. I assume a procedure will be put in place to deploy a section from a heli and give them their bergens too.
    I assume a similar drill is in place with the mowags.

    Note: if there is there is no need to tell all about it here.
    There is.
    Just a simple question.I dont believe it contravenes opsec.

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    Well I can then assume the drill will be modified so the same can be done while exiting a heli.

    The hold is pretty big.

    I posted it somewhere here some time ago....I could go looking for it, but you know yourself etc.


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    Perhaps, as all of the new helis are in a military colour the photo ops for the politicians in a military tactical aircraft would be limited if the photos in the media carried the a caption,

    something like: " this aircraft bought for military transport only, this is not the government jet"

    Better ideas for a caption for a politician in a "military helicopter" ?

    POST THEM! The media who monitor this site may publish them with the photo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    Well I can then assume the drill will be modified so the same can be done while exiting a heli.

    The hold is pretty big.

    I posted it somewhere here some time ago....I could go looking for it, but you know yourself etc.

    Here we go. Cargo hold is 3.4 cu/m.

    12 seat configuration


    15 seat configuration.


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    And you carry your Bergen on your lap......
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    And you carry your Bergen on your lap......
    problem solved!
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