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    Question Saluting The Flag.

    Greetings.

    The Orderly Officer raises and lowers The Flag with the assistance of the B.O.S.

    The Orderly Officer salutes, does the B.O.S.?

    (If you know the answer please state where you have gleaned this information from)

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    i concur captain was on guard one time and had to go out with the flag to the orderly officer, and i had to salute. the guard turns out for it as well i think

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    Thank you.

    Regards etc.

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    i think it is the officer that only salutes? I will go and check it out.
    I was at a commsining once and the officers were the only ones to salute when the flag was brought in, and a interesting point the new officers didn't salute because they were not officers but did salute when the flag was beening brought out.
    I don't think the BOS salutes, I know in my barracks he doesn't, some barracks turn out the guard, but they don't salute they present arms!

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    I wonder is it the same as when you are standing in a group in a room or something and an officer comes in. I was told that only the person with the senior rank salutes the officer.

    I was in the target shed in the Butts in Finner last year with some other people and the highest ranked person was a corporal. We were just taking it handy getting out of the near sandstorm outside when 5 officers came in - 1 Lt. Col, 2 Cmndts, 1 Capt. and an Lt! We didn't know who to salute or what to do! In the end the Cpl saluted and the Lt. Col just started chatting and having the craic...the usual "how is your camp? How long have you been in the FCA?...." etc.

    After that I was told that the senior rank in the group salutes the senior rank in the other group....is this right? If so, maybe it is the same for The Flag.....everyone else stands to attention and the senior rank salutes it?

    I dont know if thats right or not, just something I heard!

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    think your right there ICUN i remember an officer coming into a room to us one night, we jumped to attention and the most senior rank in the room gave the salute. In saying that i was at the western command shoot last week and me and a cpl were walking down to the range when we met two lt col's so we both saluted and walked on. in saying that one of or sergeants got saluted by a PA!!! and the PA was a sgt as well, apparently she didnt see the rank marking, and cos he has a brass cap badge she saluted him. talk about bursting our holes laughing at the poor woman!

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    the orderly officer is the only one to salute the flag the BOS stands at attention: this was how i was instructed by a BTC CS with regard to the flag duties of an orderly officer. He said he had seen NCOs doing it in the past but that it was incorrect. An NCO will salute the flag if he is in charge of a body of men when the flag is being raised or lowered. i.e. he brings them to attention and he salutes.

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    With respect rebel Reservist, I have heard from several usually reliable sources " Only the officer salutes".

    From several other usually reliable resources " The officer & the bos salute"

    I know of a sergeant, bos , who when The Flag was raised, saluted with the officer and was told that this was incorrect.

    Two days later same sergeant different officer(different unit),sergeant didnt salute & guess what?

    Regards etc.

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    The Orderly officer is Technically in Command of the Barracks so he salutes the Flag. (as senior rank) I've never seen anyone else salute the flag. All troops who can see the Flag are brought to attention while it is being lowered. No NCO salutes the O/O takes the salute for the camp!

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    The BOS salutes the flag as well as the OO, at least that's the practice in the 12th bn. Anybody present at the raising and lowering of the flag should salute also unless they are under command at the time, for instance a platoon at drill under an NCO. In this instance the NCO brings the platoon to attention facing the flag and he alone salutes.

    As always there probably isn't a hard and fast rule so custom and practice is the order of the day.

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    I will have a look at GRO and A manuals tonight if I remember but Kermit's link is prob. OK

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    Flag protocol.

    I go by McKee Barracks most mornings on the bus and I have noticed that any time I have to be in work for 9 or earlier, i.e. going by the barracks between 7.45 and 8.30, the tricolour is not flying even when its bright out.
    My understanding of traditional military protocol was that the flag would be raised at first light and lowered at last sight.

    Can anyones shed any light on this for me or correct me if I'm wrong please?
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    Winter time applicable up to may 1st...I think..means the flag is only flown at 0900 to 1600.

    Winter time 1st October onwards

    Summer time is from 0800 to sunset.....as published..and not set time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    I go by McKee Barracks most mornings on the bus and I have noticed that any time I have to be in work for 9 or earlier, i.e. going by the barracks between 7.45 and 8.30, the tricolour is not flying even when its bright out.
    My understanding of traditional military protocol was that the flag would be raised at first light and lowered at last sight.

    Can anyones shed any light on this for me or correct me if I'm wrong please?
    From the Dept of the Taoiseach - The official word on the National Flag

    http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.as...=194&docID=242

    15 The National Flag should be displayed in the open only between sunrise and sunset, except on the occasion of public meetings, processions, or funerals, when it may be displayed for the duration of such functions.

    Note: For military purposes, sunrise and sunset are deemed to be:

    Sunrise:
    March to October 08:00 Hours
    November to February 08:30 Hours

    Sunset:
    January and December 15:30 Hours
    February and November 16:30 Hours
    March and October 17:30 Hours
    April 18:00 Hours
    May and September 19:00 Hours
    June to August 20:00 Hours

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    Right Trellheim that should be enough time, or are the manuals really that intensive.......

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    Thanks for answering the question lads, I appreciate that.
    Just wondering as its quite nice to see the flag, especially the big one flying, when I go by.
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    You have too much time on your hands

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    WAAAY too much time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by womble
    ...especially the big one flying...
    Acknowledged by alot of personnel, on Sundays (surprisingly), "Is the flag bigger today or what?"

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    Hee,hee!
    I remember, once upon a quiet day in the hangar, five of us, including our Flight Sergeant, were in the prefab that passed for a hangar office, when in walked one of our pilots, in his flying suit,without hat, followed by two Army captains,one a woman. I was in one corner, buried in a newspaper. The rest of the lads were shit-talking and generally vegetating. I lowered one corner of the paper, saw our fella and resumed reading. No-body else stirred, they just stopped talking as our pilot addressed the F/Sgt by his first name, telling him that he was giving a tour of the Casa to the two Army heads. Our F/sgt barely nodded. The Army captain looked fit to bust! He went brick-red and started huffing, as if he was about to lose it. The female captain merely smiled.Our pilot just turned on his heel and ushered them out, without further ado. Outside, the male captain,just about containing a coronary, asked the pilot why we hadn't sprung to attention and saluted, why no-one appeared to show any decorum,etc,etc, and "that fella with the newspaper never even put it down!". Our pilot, just shrugged, hands firmly in pockets of the flying suit and said, "ah, sure, the lads don't bother around here!". At this point, the female captain fell about laughing and the male captain practically had a seizure. Eventually, the pilot dragged them to the Casa, gave them the tour and despatched them. He came back into the prefab, later and told us what had happened, much to our delight.I'm sure that male captain had every prejudice about the Don confirmed and his heart still stutters at the thought of it....
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    For the Defence.

    There was a thread in General re the flying of the Flag. I was doing a search so that if there was a similar thread the information could be merged.

    The Defence Rests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itchy
    Acknowledged by alot of personnel, on Sundays (surprisingly), "Is the flag bigger today or what?"
    I only noticed the difference when i was on camp in barracks a few years ago(mortar) Never in barracks on any day other than a sunday so i was like, "why is the flag smaller than usual?" :redface:
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    A few tit bits from DFR A2
    Material and dimensions.

    2. The flags to be used in accordance with the provisions of paragraphs 3 and 7 of this Part of these Regulations shall be of wool bunting and of the following dimensions:-

    Garrison flag - 101/2 feet hoist by 21 feet fly.

    Post Flag - 6 feet hoist by 12 feet fly.

    Storm flag - 3 feet hoist by 6 feet fly.

    Ceremonial flag - 41/2 feet hoist by 9 feet fly.

    Where and when flown.

    3. (1) A Garrison flag shall, except as otherwise provided at subparagraph (3) hereof, be flown -

    (a) at the Department of Defence and at the Headquarters of Commands on Sundays and Army holidays and on such other occasions as the Adjutant-General may direct; and

    (b) at such other places and on such occasions as the Adjutant-General may direct.

    (2) A Post flag shall, except as otherwise provided at sub-paragraphs (1) and (3) hereof, be flown at the Department of Defence, at the Headquarters of Commands and at all other occupied installations.

    (3) A Storm Flag shall be flown -

    (a) at temporarily occupied installations, and

    (b) at the Department of Defence, the Headquarters of Commands and all other occupied installations during stormy weather.

    Flagstaffs.

    4. Flagstaffs shall conform to the following specifications -

    (a) at the Department of Defence and Command Headquarters - not less than 50 feet and not more than 75 feet high;

    (b) at all other installations - not less than 30 feet and not more than 50 feet high.

    Hoisting and Lowering.

    5. (1) The national flag shall be hoisted each day at Sunrise and lowered at Sundown. The call Sunrise shall be sounded when the flag is secured at the top of the staff. The call Sundown shall be sounded immediately before the lowering of the flag.

    (2) The flag shall be hoisted and lowered in a dignified manner. No portion of the flag shall be permitted to touch the ground.

    (3) At an installation where a Guard is mounted, the Guard shall Turn Out and Present Arms during the ceremonial hoisting and lowering of the flag and during the sounding of the calls Sunrise and Sundown. During the ceremonial hoisting or lowering, formed bodies of troops in the vicinity shall be brought to attention facing the flag, officers saluting. Individual officers and men in view of the flag shall stand at attention facing the flag and salute. Compliments shall not be paid when an adjustment only is being made in the hoist of a flag, e.g. when a flag flying at full-mast or half-mast is being adjusted to half-mast or full-mast respectively.

    (4) (i) The flag shall normally be hoisted and lowered by the Orderly Officer.

    (ii) In an installation where, for any reason, an Orderly Officer is not appointed, the flag shall be hoisted and lowered -

    (a) by the person for the time being in charge of such installation, or

    (b) in such person's absence, by an officer, or by a non-commissioned officer detailed for the purpose where an officer is not available.
    Precedence and Display.

    6. The national flag takes precedence in the State over all other flags. Where the national flag is flown with other flags on staffs of equal height, the national flag must be on the right of the line of flags (i.e. on an observer's left as he faces the flags). Where, however, one staff in a group of staffs is higher than the others the national flag must be flown from that staff.



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    officer sulutes bos stands to attention all others stand to attention the guard should be turned out to pay compliments but never seen it happen , thats the way we allways did it what the actual reg is i dont know probably have if somewhere.
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    I thought all people of rank sgt and over salute the flag and everybody else stands to attention
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