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    River class Patrol vessels..

    To Keep the semi amphibious one happy,here is a topic on the New RN patrol vessel....:D

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    EEZ Management Vessel


    A fine looking ship this..the only possible disadvantage being that she probably has a similar standard of accomodation as the peacocks...and the Naval service here like their bunk space!!
    So the specifics..its one of VosperThornycroft's EEZ management vessel design,adapted to suit the needs of the RN,who believe it or not have envied the standard of the Irish PVs for years.The design has been developed to enable the vessel to undertake a wide range of duties necessary for effective EEZ Management, including:

    #Anti pollution work
    #Disaster relief
    #Medical support
    #Scientific research and hydrography
    #Fishery protection
    #Maintenance of navigational aids
    #Salvage and Rescue

    So far so good!
    Accommodation for up to 48 personnel is provided to the Merchant Shipping Act and the RN Second Sea Lords Personnel Function Standards including all cabins with ensuite bathroom facilities. A complement of 28 can operate the vessel.
    The RN though has decided to arm it with a 20mm and 2 gpmgs...fine for them..they have proper ships to back them up..we need more clout for our "boats".Bigger bang can be providedthe option for Light and/ or medium calibre guns with ammunition stowage being offered.

    The standard design,not the river class specifically has some additional useful features

    A retractable helideck,suitable for landing a 9 tonne aircraft(daylight ops):D
    and when you get tired of looking at it,you can pull it back to reveal a container deck,ideal for modules such as
    #Field hospital
    #Oil pollution dispersant
    #Oil spill containment booms
    #High capacity fire fighting
    #Enhanced diving capability
    #Decompression chamber

    to name but a few..
    Now thats an all purpose vessel if ever I saw one!
    Did I mention it has a crane also? Oh..

    The option for a 24 tonne capacity crane enables the EMV to load and offload containers and large cargo without relying on shore side facilities. A stern gantry ‘A’ Frame can also be fitted with a SWL of 10 tonne, for buoy retrieval or salvage.
    However all these options(and there are loads) would increase the size of ship from what the RN River class is.

    All in all I like it!

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    was just about to publish something similar.Warship fleet international review .this month states that New Zealand is to aquire a couple of these as replacement for their Leander class frigates.Fine looking vessel...very functional.Available on lease...minimal out lay
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    I must have missed that..is that the Dec/Jan issue?
    Good publication..they done a good article on the Hong Kong visit by Niamh.

    I think one,if not all of the RN ships is being built in Appledore..they seem to have good standing with the DoD now..who knows..The RN are leasing theirs..maybe they will appear on the market when they are finished with them..the Peacocks should be pretty clapped out by then..
    Nice lines...too mny portholes tho..the lads below dont really need to see how rough it is outside..messy if you have a leaky seal too...
    I always used the deadlight...specially if I was in port..nothing worse than having some freak loookin in at ye when youre gearin up for the night!
    I notice They have covered up most of the ones on the PVs and only the osifers get them on eithne..Havent been on the New ones......yet..:D

    I see also this type can have either the standard Halmatic RIB,a larger SOLAS rib or a wide beam "8m Sea Truck"workboat type thing..Landing craft anyone?:D

    Standard RIB,Halmatic Pacific 22

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    January issue...its now gone monthly
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    As i mentioned these are of RN design,though on further reading the standard of accomodation may be more akin to our vessels..With that in mind,what are the Peacocks really Like?
    Saw one on TG4 the other night patrolling the irish Box and it struck me how much green sea they were shipping...The wipers on the bridge were attit pretty hard! Are they popular with the crews?
    Mate of mine was a spark/mech on one a few years back,but his experience with the NS at the time was negative to say the least(being a spark getting mech pay) so most of his complaining was about the system. What have the naval types here heard about them? Has anyone served on them? I have been aboard them in port and I found them adequately compact. Is there much useful life left in them in all your opinions?

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    If anyone could do with a ressurection,its the Naval service...
    Maybe somebody will reply this time around..

    This is what a ship looks like lads and lassies..

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    An amphibian ..the fish who walks ? new title?
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    Would this be for fishery protection or as a multirole "military" vessel (if it doesn't breach our neutrality)
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    Oh and just out of curiosity anyone know how much it would cost to fit RIM-7 battery to the eithne or a river class?
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    Eithne is designed to be fitted with the RBS-70, and a few other thinhs, i've heard that space and weight was saved for anti-submarine weapons and possibly four exocets, though I am open to correction. Ships like the Norwegian nordkapp were desined to act as escorts in time of war, and indeed norway send one of its Coast Guard Nordkapps to the Gulf in 1991 rather than its navy's oslo frigates.

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    It is referred to that
    VT Shipbuilding can offer a wide range of products and services assisting Nations to fulfil their obligations under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. VT has a range of vessels specifically designed to undertake EEZ Management Roles, both inshore and offshore. These include the EMV (EEZ Management Vessel) which forms the basis for the Royal Navy’s River Class OPV
    So it is a EEZ Management vessel. The smart answer is , how military is an army lorry? Isn't it just an ordinary truck painted green?
    Military is by nature defined by role rather than equipment. Policing the territorial waters of any nation when a ship is armed,to me is a military role.
    Multi role is the way most smaller Naval forces seem to be moving. Even the USN has moved away from purely ASW frigates or Destroyers in their more modern vessels,when you compare the Leahy or Kidd class to the modern AEGIS ships

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    What do you think the chances are for the Irish navy getting ahold of some of these vessels in a couple of years? Would it be possible then to change the 20mm guns to some thing like that on Niamh and Roisin? Personally I dont think they sound like a bad option for us.
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    Interesting to hear about eithne's potential, but do the other PVs share her potential?
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    I'd heard almost exactly the same as Paul regarding Eithne's hidden potential, ie: the ability to be fitted with SHORAD SAM like RBS 70 or Mistral, lightweight torps and Exocet (apparently to be fitted behind the heli-deck).

    Not sure about the others though, especially since none of them have even nearly as comprehensive an electronics fit as P31. No other sonars, so the torps are unlikely. No idea about how good their surface search radars are though.

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    Ah lads! this is pure fiction.Eitne is not designed to carry any missile system.The closes to a missile system is the 57mm Wallop launchers .Only possible upgrades would be a pair of GPMGs.the after deck is not stressed for weapons.There are no links to the ops room and there is no place to store weapons of this sort.acess to the magazine is very restricted.hand held SAMs would be the only option.
    ****all point in comitting ships of this build to any operational area as they carry no armour and damage control is similar to that of a large trawler or small freighter.
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    So I'm thinking a peace enforcement role would require a whole new fleet or a specific militarised fleet arm?
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    yep. all the NS vessels are catagorised as patrol vessels.

    The only two that come any way close to warship designation is the Peacocks.

    all the rest were built to LLoyds of London civil shipping standards.
    the PVs were built on a modified trawler hull design that was comercially available.To qualify for EU funding the rest were built as fishery protection vessel standards and equiped as such. The weapons fit is the maximum allowable under these regulations.
    The helo on the eithne was purchased for FP and SAR and has no anti shipping or anti submarine role.
    The cost of building pure warships far exceeds the cost of the current navy as these ships have to be built to military standards and not to LLoyds.
    here the navies role is defined as protecting the sovereign waters and natural resources but it says nothing of defending against armed incursion.
    We all saw what happen to HMS sheffield and the Arrow class frigates in the Falklands well this would be the fate of the current NS ships as they were built of similar materials and suffer the same deffeciences.

    We have never operated pure warships as these are not multifunctional and are far too expensive to operate.
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    Would it be possible to use something like this? http://www.naval-technology.com/cont...ip/naval_team/ .

    I'm thinking of a mix of Sf 100 (for slua), SF 300 and maybe 2 or more SF 3000's as the centre of a military fleet?
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    yes they certainly seem the type but it depend son costs.The smaller vessels would be ideal foe NSR operations and could easily perform inshore protection operations .What needs to happen is an increase in manpower to make the operationof the larger vessels viable.
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    What about the US cyclone class with Rib deployment from the bow, in a COIN role (forgive me I'm compiling a naval service wish list for Icun's board and know relatively little about our needs and possible capabilities, within reason) What roles would you envisage in a good but not ideal (nothing which radically alters the shape of Irish society).
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    With the equipment available the NS carries out the roles tasked quite adequately.to diversify it would take major investment and retraining .I think the COIN should be left to the ARW who specialise in all this cloak and dagger stuff.

    Modern day COIN at sea is carried out by marine forces inserted by helo usually the S70 variety or the sea lynx. as our naval forces are not readily equipped with such machines we have to revert to semirigids and armed boarding parties .This we have done for many years often with great sucess.
    As i said without major investment this is not going to change and the urgencey should be to carry as manh S/Rs as possible with the majority of the crew of the mother vessel trained in such a role
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    Good review of this ship type in the current issue of Warships International Fleet review.
    Apparently the Bulbous Bow design is unique (and quite strange looking)

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    Reading from an old ships monthly it seems that the P50 class are not all that they seem.

    they are actually an adaptation of another vessel chile or ecuador I think which is ironic given all the shit the NS spouted about indigenous deasigns and the fact that the Ns tried to flog the plans of the P31 class to several southern American countries with out any sucess.

    Emer is now only ayear or two short of Deirdres retirement age ....Is the Roisin class her actual replacement or will there be supplementary units.Flog another barracks ....but another PV....sounds like a plan....If any body else from athlone ends up in court maybe this wil become a viable option.
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    The P50 is a variation of the Canadian Vigilant design,as used (with a helipad) by the Coastguard in Maritius(sp). You will find a photo of this type on the Jastram website. The design was modified to suit our needs,but not much really.
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