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  • #16
    Ah lads! this is pure fiction.Eitne is not designed to carry any missile system.The closes to a missile system is the 57mm Wallop launchers .Only possible upgrades would be a pair of GPMGs.the after deck is not stressed for weapons.There are no links to the ops room and there is no place to store weapons of this sort.acess to the magazine is very restricted.hand held SAMs would be the only option.
    ****all point in comitting ships of this build to any operational area as they carry no armour and damage control is similar to that of a large trawler or small freighter.
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    • #17
      So I'm thinking a peace enforcement role would require a whole new fleet or a specific militarised fleet arm?
      "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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      • #18
        yep. all the NS vessels are catagorised as patrol vessels.

        The only two that come any way close to warship designation is the Peacocks.

        all the rest were built to LLoyds of London civil shipping standards.
        the PVs were built on a modified trawler hull design that was comercially available.To qualify for EU funding the rest were built as fishery protection vessel standards and equiped as such. The weapons fit is the maximum allowable under these regulations.
        The helo on the eithne was purchased for FP and SAR and has no anti shipping or anti submarine role.
        The cost of building pure warships far exceeds the cost of the current navy as these ships have to be built to military standards and not to LLoyds.
        here the navies role is defined as protecting the sovereign waters and natural resources but it says nothing of defending against armed incursion.
        We all saw what happen to HMS sheffield and the Arrow class frigates in the Falklands well this would be the fate of the current NS ships as they were built of similar materials and suffer the same deffeciences.

        We have never operated pure warships as these are not multifunctional and are far too expensive to operate.
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        • #19
          Would it be possible to use something like this? http://www.naval-technology.com/cont...ip/naval_team/ .

          I'm thinking of a mix of Sf 100 (for slua), SF 300 and maybe 2 or more SF 3000's as the centre of a military fleet?
          "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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          • #20
            yes they certainly seem the type but it depend son costs.The smaller vessels would be ideal foe NSR operations and could easily perform inshore protection operations .What needs to happen is an increase in manpower to make the operationof the larger vessels viable.
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            • #21
              What about the US cyclone class with Rib deployment from the bow, in a COIN role (forgive me I'm compiling a naval service wish list for Icun's board and know relatively little about our needs and possible capabilities, within reason) What roles would you envisage in a good but not ideal (nothing which radically alters the shape of Irish society).
              "It is a general popular error to imagine that loudest complainers for the public to be the most anxious for it's welfare" Edmund Burke

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              • #22
                With the equipment available the NS carries out the roles tasked quite adequately.to diversify it would take major investment and retraining .I think the COIN should be left to the ARW who specialise in all this cloak and dagger stuff.

                Modern day COIN at sea is carried out by marine forces inserted by helo usually the S70 variety or the sea lynx. as our naval forces are not readily equipped with such machines we have to revert to semirigids and armed boarding parties .This we have done for many years often with great sucess.
                As i said without major investment this is not going to change and the urgencey should be to carry as manh S/Rs as possible with the majority of the crew of the mother vessel trained in such a role
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                • #23
                  Good review of this ship type in the current issue of Warships International Fleet review.
                  Apparently the Bulbous Bow design is unique (and quite strange looking)


                  Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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                  • #24
                    Reading from an old ships monthly it seems that the P50 class are not all that they seem.

                    they are actually an adaptation of another vessel chile or ecuador I think which is ironic given all the shit the NS spouted about indigenous deasigns and the fact that the Ns tried to flog the plans of the P31 class to several southern American countries with out any sucess.

                    Emer is now only ayear or two short of Deirdres retirement age ....Is the Roisin class her actual replacement or will there be supplementary units.Flog another barracks ....but another PV....sounds like a plan....If any body else from athlone ends up in court maybe this wil become a viable option.
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                    • #25
                      The P50 is a variation of the Canadian Vigilant design,as used (with a helipad) by the Coastguard in Maritius(sp). You will find a photo of this type on the Jastram website. The design was modified to suit our needs,but not much really.
                      Fail to prepare....prepare to FAIL!

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                      • #26
                        HMS Severn was docked at City Quay last Sat.

                        River class FPV Pennant 282 .
                        "Are they trying to shoot down the other drone? "

                        "No, they're trying to fly the tank"

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                        • #27
                          any pictures?
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                          • #28
                            Link
                            Meh.

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                            • #29
                              Tis a fine vessel to be sure yarghhhhhhhhh

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                              • #30
                                What city?


                                Catch-22 says they have a right to do anything we can't stop them from doing.

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