"Irish" ferries in name only lately. Got rid of the irish crews to replace them with lower paid foreign workers.
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But at any level of govt, are you aware of anyone who is supporting this kind of joined-up forward thinking? What about the industry?"He is an enemy officer taken in battle and entitled to fair treatment."
"No, sir. He's a sergeant, and they don't deserve no respect at all, sir. I should know. They're cunning and artful, if they're any good. I wouldn't mind if he was an officer, sir. But sergeants are clever."
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Originally posted by morpheus View PostBut at any level of govt, are you aware of anyone who is supporting this kind of joined-up forward thinking? What about the industry?
The States bottom line must be to create maritime infrastructure to meet growing capacity needs and provide for normal and emergency repair of ships. We need quay walls with afloat berths and we badly need 3 drydocks, at 150 M + ( Cork ) at 225 M (New ) and at 300 M ( New ).
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I can't see DSG allowing that happen either.
Things have changed in this post-thatcherite society. The state manages very little in the way of infastructure. Everything is operated by semi-state or private enterprise. (Roads, Rail, Airports) Seeing as it let the last state owned shipping company fade away in the 80s, I do not see it sees any importance in maintaining any ship repair facility.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by 25 pounder View PostI can't see the EU allowing that to happen.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostExigencies could dictate otherwise and history proves that the State, under Lemass did it before. In 1941 on the foundation of Irish Shipping Ltd, that company took over Cork Dockyard and brought it up to full use, and continued to do so until the arrival of Verholme in Cork. Major infrastructure such as Docking and repair of ships is critical to the well being of a state, leaving capabilities to the whims of expediency and bean counters, leads to amputation and "crippling" results.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostDifferent times. Very different times. You'll be hard pressed to find any state operated ship repair facility anywhere in the world any more, except perhaps maybe in Communist China.
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Best hope, I'd guess, of something along those lines happening would be Cork being viewed as a strategic asset in EU Defence planning.
Of course while NATO remains the real mutual defence organisation and our neighbours know that we'll cherry pick what we're involved in, they may be, eh, hesitant.
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Depend on.
A large term for two relatively small words. One would suggest that the US Navy exists purely to keep work in US owned shipyards, with their inbuilt state supported protectionism and inefficient work practices. They could not survive in a free market economy, so the US government gives them plenty of work to do, building overpriced ships that face no real threat.
Equally the UK has decided to create an unnecessary class of OPV, disposing of the ship it will replace prematurely, purely to keep sipyards open until the RN knows what its future frigate will look like. Appledore has almost closed many times since Niamh was built there. It is only the charity being offerred by HM government that keep it open. Again it cannot compete in the open market and is kept open purely for political reasons, i.e vote winning. They get work to support the industry, without the government work they would have nothing. They are not there to support shipping, more like shipping, in the form of government contracts, are there to support shipbuilding.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostDepend on.
A large term for two relatively small words. One would suggest that the US Navy exists purely to keep work in US owned shipyards, with their inbuilt state supported protectionism and inefficient work practices. They could not survive in a free market economy, so the US government gives them plenty of work to do, building overpriced ships that face no real threat.
Equally the UK has decided to create an unnecessary class of OPV, disposing of the ship it will replace prematurely, purely to keep sipyards open until the RN knows what its future frigate will look like. Appledore has almost closed many times since Niamh was built there. It is only the charity being offerred by HM government that keep it open. Again it cannot compete in the open market and is kept open purely for political reasons, i.e vote winning. They get work to support the industry, without the government work they would have nothing. They are not there to support shipping, more like shipping, in the form of government contracts, are there to support shipbuilding.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostExigencies could dictate otherwise and history proves that the State, under Lemass did it before. In 1941 on the foundation of Irish Shipping Ltd, that company took over Cork Dockyard and brought it up to full use, and continued to do so until the arrival of Verholme in Cork. Major infrastructure such as Docking and repair of ships is critical to the well being of a state, leaving capabilities to the whims of expediency and bean counters, leads to amputation and "crippling" results.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostIs the Register of Shipping available on line I don’t see it on the MSO website?
Getting back to the anguishing need to maintain ships within the state you must start with the Solas requirement that all ships should be drydocked twice every five years that means we should plan to drydock 18 times every 5 years for 9 ships. Since all ships interface at sea there is a need to conform.
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Originally posted by EUFighter View PostIf true, then it is in the LPD range in terms of displacement and cost but it also matches HMNZS Canterbury; that is something we should not follow. Better a purposed design vessel from bottom up such as the Damen Enforcer family than something based upon an Isle of Man ferry. If Far East ship builders are excluded then in Europe at the moment that leave Damen & Navantia with smaller versions of the Enforces class or Fincantieri with the Improved San Giusto class.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostI think any of the Enforcer designs are wider than the Cobh Graving Dock though?
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