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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostCover the drydock to allow work to take place in all weathers on the exterior. It would need to be as tall as to fit a ship and her mast, with room for a gantry crane inside too.
I would suggest the wind problem would be unique to the particular circumstances in Haulbowline. The back of the dock looks straight out to the harbour mouth. Most other covered docks would run in line with, and would be sheltered by terrain. No such luxury in Haulbowline.
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Originally posted by DeV View PostHow many weeks in an average year would be used?
Surely the money would be better spend on wage increases possibly allowing the NS to fully crew its vessels.
Ever had to change a lightbulb in your car? Isn't it much easier to do wen its dry? Easier still when its indoors, with good light.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by Sparky42 View PostTo come back from the question of covering it, I'd ask again what's the measurements of the dock, how much of an increase over the Cobh dock does it give the Navy?
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Originally posted by Graylion View Postfurther up there is mention of 180m length, so pretty significant. Still not relevant IMO, cos reactivating it would be a huge waste of money. Other navies let commercial yards refurbish their warships. And H&W has a drydock that is bigger than anything the NS will ever need on this very island.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostThere are closer, bigger & better equipped drydocks in France and the UK, if we are going to go to a foreign yard.
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Only way to ensure VFM and sufficient work for the Haulbowline drydock would probably be a PPP project and allow them to take on commercial work.
But what then if:
(a) it is successful and puts Cork Dockyard out of business
(b) there is another vessel in The Haulbowline drydock
I say do a medium term contract (say 5 years for all scheduled (and unscheduled where it can be facilitated) NS drydocking ) with Cork Dockyard. No doubt there is some way of the NS legally (thinking State Aid here) investing in Cork Dockyard to ensure it’s continued economic viability
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How the State ensures priority choice with the Doyle Shipping group. for use of Cork Dockyard , and supporting it's continued viability is a matter for them . They must have been aware that Dublin Port Authority were closing the only Drydock built by the State , so one must assume they will only act post factum if at all.
As the naval Drydock would be a strategic asset for Naval Defence purposes I think PPP would shift priorities to our disadvantage and would increase civilian manning , supervision , policing , security.
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DSG have barely spent a cent on the yard since they took it over. They have cut up all the old cranes for scrap. The caisson is hauled into position using a tractor. A crawler construction crane is used to lift anything into place.
I fear if the dockyard suffers a major equipment failure requiring investment (such as pump failure), they won't spend it.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by ancientmariner View PostHow the State ensures priority choice with the Doyle Shipping group. for use of Cork Dockyard , and supporting it's continued viability is a matter for them .
No EU laws on State Aid have a big say
As the naval Drydock would be a strategic asset for Naval Defence purposes
I think PPP would shift priorities to our disadvantage and would increase civilian manning , supervision , policing , security.
(a) increase NS establishment (not much point when the strength is so low)
(b) staff it with DoD civvies who you will need to undertake other duties as well (not necessarily a bad idea, they could support other (non-dry dock maintenance) because the drydock is likely to be used maybe 12 weeks a year at an absolute max)
(c) just provide the drydock and when drydocking is required get a contractor in
Or do PPP and run it commercially
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Where are you getting 12 weeks from? There is a naval vessel out of action at different levels at every stage throughout the year. While not all of these out of service incidents require drydocking, having a berth setaside for repairs and refit, which when filled with water, the drydock can be, would be a well used asset. There is hardly a day in the year when at least one ship does not have its masts surrounded by scaffolding.For now, everything hangs on implementation of the CoDF report.
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Originally posted by na grohmití View PostWhere are you getting 12 weeks from? There is a naval vessel out of action at different levels at every stage throughout the year. While not all of these out of service incidents require drydocking, having a berth setaside for repairs and refit, which when filled with water, the drydock can be, would be a well used asset. There is hardly a day in the year when at least one ship does not have its masts surrounded by scaffolding.
Which as you say doesn’t require drydocking.
Absolutely max there are 4 (normally 2-3) scheduled dry docks annually for 2-3 weeks each (normally 2).
We are discussing drydocking specifically
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