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    Fair enough, I don't know a whole lot about it. Pity it couldn't be saved and become viable again though.

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    I have heard the current owners are just waiting for those business that remain to pull out and move elsewhere so they can sell the land it sits on for development. One of the Major businesses that used to occupy a large portion of the site, who built timber frame homes, closed down only a few months ago. Another Engineering firm, that specialised in modules for the Pharma industry, also moved to another location last year.
    It needs Serious investment to become capable of even the most basic of ship refit work, apart from the small scale work that is currently done there.
    Of course, when we don't even have a Dept of the Marine any more, you wouldnt hold out much hope for any government encouragement of such investment.

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    en we don't even have a Dept of the Marine any more
    I've a challenge for you - name one European country with a Department of the Marine?

    Ours existed from 1987 to 2002, and was solely a gimmick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan View Post
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    I've a challenge for you - name one European country with a Department of the Marine?

    Ours existed from 1987 to 2002, and was solely a gimmick.
    Over here it's the Department of Transport!

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    Here too PMTTs ...

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    Norway is one European country with a marine department, they call it the Ministry of Fisheries and Coastal Affairs. See website below:

    http://www.regjeringen.no/en.html?id=4

    Norway takes its marine sector seriously, particularly as the sector is worth up to 20% of GDP. The value of the marine sector to the economy is one of the reasons why Norway has stayed outside the European Union.

    Most other European countries are like Ireland with no importance being placed on the marine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan View Post
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    I've a challenge for you - name one European country with a Department of the Marine?

    Ours existed from 1987 to 2002, and was solely a gimmick.
    Do you not think a coordinated approach to the maritime sector would be an advantage? At the moment we have numerous different departments, dispersed all over the country, sharing responsibility, but none giving priority.
    Transport
    Agriculture & Fisheries
    Communications Energy and Natural Resources

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    You might as well have a 'Department of the Air', covering air quality, broadcasting, birds and air transport. And a Department of the Ground, covering farming, roads, environmental protection ...

    A sectoral approach is much more productive - and useful. Marine transport and ports belong in the Department of Transport because the policy area the same. Sticking it in the same Dept as handles Fisheries just because it involves boats is quite a bit silly - the policy areas are very different and have practically no linkages. The creation of the DMNR by Haughey was a political stunt designed solely for self aggrandisment among his yachty friends.

    On the subject matter, I agree completely - the dockyard at Verolme is a national asset. But as you well know, there is relatively little the State can do to intervene if the private sector wants to use the land for something else. I wouldn't be so sure that the land will go for development immediately though - the IFI site has been vacant for a few years, and there's no immediate sign of movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidan View Post
    You might as well have a 'Department of the Air', covering air quality, broadcasting, birds and air transport. And a Department of the Ground, covering farming, roads, environmental protection ...
    Isn't there already a Govt Department that deals exclusively with aviation? The IAA? Why not have a similar Maritime Govt Dept?


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    On the subject matter, I agree completely - the dockyard at Verolme is a national asset. But as you well know, there is relatively little the State can do to intervene if the private sector wants to use the land for something else. I wouldn't be so sure that the land will go for development immediately though - the IFI site has been vacant for a few years, and there's no immediate sign of movement.

    The IFI site is technically not empty. There is a small Adhesives company operating there. There was hope that the Port of cork might move to Marino Point for its downstream operation, but for whatever reason, they declined, instead opting for the Supercontainer port in Ringaskiddy.

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    The Dept of Transport deals with aviation, The IAA is a state body under the Dept of Transport
    Well, government doesn't stop just because the country's been destroyed! I mean, annihilation's bad enough without anarchy to make things even worse!

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    Do you not think it's plausable? At the moment there is no specific government body that deals with Port State control, or the implementation of ISPS, SOLAS, MARPOL etc.
    Considering all the other testing functions of the dept of transport seems to have been contracted out.

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    More to the point, the Dept of Transport has an entire Aviation policy area, under the auspices of an Asst Sec, exactly the same status as the Maritime Transport area.

    The only reason the IAA exists in the first place is to have an independent Aviation safety Authority to work with other such bodies internationally. It does not have a developmental or policy role. It does not have all of the safety functions either - the AAIU is based in the Department of Transport, afer all.

    Ownership of the Port Companies and the development of national policy with regard to these is a very different issue to the implementation of safety programmes. I'm not sure there's a need for a dedicated maritime safety agency here - most of this stuff is a matter for the Marine Safety Division.

    There are other plans in the offing for Marino point also, but nothing firm.

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    Speaking of the Dry Dock in Rushbrooke

    http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/brodie/0/0...bs003058.shtml

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    Would a PV go into drydock for the annual refit or just for the scheduled drydocking?

    If refit does it depend on the work bring done?

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    How long is a piece of string?
    Ideally, you do your refit when the ship is in drydock. I don't think refits are annual as such. It depends what needs to be done. Often, refits can be done alongside in the Basin, if no work beneath the waterline is required. The advantage of using the drydock in the past was its crane. However the large cranes were scrapped some years ago and Cork Dockyard now only has a Crawler construction crane. Meanwhile the Basin has a number of cranes with similar lifting capacity.

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    The NS has annual refits and drydocks every 30 months.

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    Annual refits every 30 months?

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    Refit annually and drydock every 30 months, I was trying to work out if it would be worth reopening the drydock on the island, but for 8 vessels for 2 weeks every 30 months?

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    If you open it up, you'll soon find work for it.
    All that is required is to rebuild the damaged caisson and pumphouse.

    However if you are going to the trouble, may as well put a roof over it too to ensure work can continue in foul weather.

    Oh and a Gantry crane too, SWL 20 tonne minimum.

    Actually, drydocks are old news, and time and space intensive. Shiplifts are the current method of choice. In and up, then roll her to one side in case you need the lift for another ship.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldie fish View Post
    If you open it up, you'll soon find work for it.
    All that is required is to rebuild the damaged caisson and pumphouse.

    However if you are going to the trouble, may as well put a roof over it too to ensure work can continue in foul weather.

    Oh and a Gantry crane too, SWL 20 tonne minimum.

    Actually, drydocks are old news, and time and space intensive. Shiplifts are the current method of choice. In and up, then roll her to one side in case you need the lift for another ship.

    Would the NS have the personnel to work on other vessels or be allowed to give access to equipment to others?

    I assume that the drydocking is done as normal but the work takes place on the quayside or are the supports placed by divers?

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    No. Blocks are placed before the ship floats into the dock.

    I doubt there is a navy in the world that uses its own crews to do routine refit work. Plenty of skilled civvys better equipped and available for the job.

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    Actually, drydocks are old news, and time and space intensive. Shiplifts are the current method of choice. In and up, then roll her to one side in case you need the lift for another ship
    Given the space available to the dock in the basin , this would be a very attractive option.If the area was to be developed may I suggest an accomadation block adjacent to facility, living in a ship under refit is a pain in the arse.
    Time for another break I think......

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    Quote Originally Posted by hptmurphy View Post
    Given the space available to the dock in the basin , this would be a very attractive option.If the area was to be developed may I suggest an accomadation block adjacent to facility, living in a ship under refit is a pain in the arse.
    Especially if work is to be done on accommodation I'd say

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    Especially if work is to be done on accommodation I'd say
    try living on a ship without water
    Time for another break I think......

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    Or Heat.

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